No one wants to beleive me on this one, but they really messed up on the wording for this mobilization. The words Southerly & Southern have the same explanation, people who got it correct dont care but people like me need the points, this question is the perfect throw out question whether u want to beleive me or not.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT big guy. Compose the protest and put it up here. We'll try our best to help you present your case. If it'll help you and not hurting us then why not!
pacman said
Nov 17, 2011
what question # was this ?
gotabimer said
Nov 17, 2011
@ #1 troll Marco YEAH IM SURE YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT DEFINITION THE DAY OF THE TEST YOU JUST GUESS WRONG BRO STOP MAKING TRIPLE THREAD ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION
-- Edited by gotabimer on Sunday 20th of November 2011 04:32:08 AM
10-10 VisciousRacoon said
Nov 20, 2011
Marco,
You can win this protest on two key points.
First, when the test writers stated "the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet" they failed to explain from what point on the block. For instance, is just across the street 500 feet? Is it midblock to midblock, near corner to far corner? Its not clear and THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A MAP SCALE on the map which is critical in determining distance. Therefore, since a full block separated the explosion from the stadium lot, crossing 2 steets should equal 1000 feet.
Second, you are right on the wind, but the problem you have is that the patol guide in the HazMat procedure states the set up upwind, IF POSSIBLE. To win your point on the wind, you have to prove that not only was the wind blowing from the south, but that it WAS POSSIBLE to set up at the Stadium parking lot. To do that you have on your side the fact that the test writers never said or implied that the LOT did not have space for the mobilization. Just because the concert at the stadium was full does not automatically translate to the lot not having room. Even if that is what the test writers meant, they did not make a statement in the test to make that clear. You can beat them on that.
Basically, hit DCAS on the above two points and you can most likely have this question turned to a double answer for A and D.
letsssss gooooo said
Nov 20, 2011
10 10 has to be a retard
gotabimer said
Nov 20, 2011
10-10 Good luck i think you could get them thrown out @letsgooo stop being an azzzhole
-- Edited by gotabimer on Sunday 20th of November 2011 09:51:45 AM
Scammer Auto 63 at base said
Nov 21, 2011
The City of New York Department of Citywide Administrative Services proposed answer key for PROMOTION TO SERGEANT (POLICE) Exam No. 1533 records choice "d" as a correct answer for question number 16.
Several crucial facts indicate that choice "a" is the most correct answer, and is as good as or better than the proposed key answer choice "d".
The question asks the reader to locate the appropriate mobilization point for an explosion that has occurred at a clinic where there is an orange smoke coming from the clinic. This orange smoke would indicate a hazardous material that is airborne and can be blown by the wind. Patrol Guide 212-37 (Hazardous Materials) states to establish frozen zones for 2-c. Explosion or fire: (1) Outdoors - at least 1000 feet in radius from explosive indicating that the mobilization point must be at least 1000 feet from the clinic. It further states to 18-b-(1) Choose area on high ground and/or upwind of hazardous material, if possible, to avoid contamination. Patrol Guide 213-02 (Emergency Incidents) then states that NOTE: Mobilization point should be of sufficient size to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
This leads the reader to look for 3 criteria in choosing a mobilization point: 1) that it is at least 1000 feet away from the clinic, 2) can accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization and 3), if possible, be located upwind.
For the 1000 feet minimum distance, the information for the map stated the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet. There were no scales on the map. This is very ambiguous and begs the question; is the distance measured from the same point on the two blocks? Could just going from one corner across the street to the other corner be 500 feet? Since there was one full block between the clinic and the stadium parking lot, then based on the given statement crossing 2 streets that separates 3 blocks (clinic, stadium parking lot, and the block between them) would meet the minimum distance of 1000 feet.
For the ability of the mobilization point to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, several material in the in-basket indicated there was a sold-out concert at the stadium that was over capacity. What was not mentioned was the size/capacity of the parking lot nor was mentioned how much of the parking lot was used/not available when determining if it could be used for a mobilization point. This can lead one to believe that perhaps the parking lot could have been very large and still have ample space even with an over-capacity event. The information given was not specific enough about the space available in the stadium parking lot. Therefore, the stadium parking lot must be assumed to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Finally, as for locating the mobilization point upwind, if possible, the introduction to the in-basket stated that winds were southern at 35 MPH. According to Webster Dictionary, both southern and southerly mean coming from the south <a southern breeze> meaning the wind blows from south to north. Since the stadium was south of the clinic and the wind is blowing north, then the stadium is upwind of the explosion and smoke.
In summation, choice "d", the park, may be over 1000 feet away and capable of accommodating a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, but it is downwind of an airborne hazardous material and IT WAS POSSIBLE to mobilize at the stadium parking lot. Choice "a" on the other hand, is a correct statement due to the fact that it meets all the criteria for a mobilization point: it is upwind, at least 1000 feet away, and is apparently able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Based upon the foregoing facts, choice "a" is noticeably the most correct answer, and as such, should be the key answer for question number 16. It is therefore respectfully requested that the Test Validation Board change the final key answer for question number 16 to read "a".
Su Madre 24 said
Nov 21, 2011
Marco has to be Scammer. I got this questions wrong hopefully your protest nets me 2 points. Regardless you need a psych eval man. You got serious issues
RockDaKessba said
Nov 21, 2011
Su Madre 24 wrote:
Marco has to be Scammer. I got this questions wrong hopefully your protest nets me 2 points. Regardless you need a psych eval man. You got serious issues
Yah i think so too. i don't blame him i would be doing the samething if i need a point or two. but i think it's a losing battle for him.
gotabimer said
Nov 21, 2011
Marco you need cope
bigfoot45 said
Nov 21, 2011
Marco, your even freaking out large Marge. Those southerly winds knocked over her truck causing "the worst accident she's ever seen." If you guys don't know whats this is from youtube "large marge."
-- Edited by bigfoot45 on Monday 21st of November 2011 06:30:08 PM
LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder said
Nov 24, 2011
The point Scammer makes which you are all missing is this: Every one of you who picked the park quickly assume that because there was a concert IN THE STADIUM that was also overflowing meant that the parking lot must have had no room for the mobilization.
Scammer is right when he says that the test writers never told us how big the parking lot was and how much of the space was used or available. Since they were never specific enough, you cannot just make assumptions based on the fact that a concert was going on.
For all we know, the parking lot could have been so big that half of it was empty.
He is right and all of you who don't understand that are tree-hugging libs.
No one wants to beleive me on this one, but they really messed up on the wording for this mobilization. The words Southerly & Southern have the same explanation, people who got it correct dont care but people like me need the points, this question is the perfect throw out question whether u want to beleive me or not.
Southˇern
-- Edited by gotabimer on Sunday 20th of November 2011 04:32:08 AM
Marco,
You can win this protest on two key points.
First, when the test writers stated "the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet" they failed to explain from what point on the block. For instance, is just across the street 500 feet? Is it midblock to midblock, near corner to far corner? Its not clear and THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A MAP SCALE on the map which is critical in determining distance. Therefore, since a full block separated the explosion from the stadium lot, crossing 2 steets should equal 1000 feet.
Second, you are right on the wind, but the problem you have is that the patol guide in the HazMat procedure states the set up upwind, IF POSSIBLE. To win your point on the wind, you have to prove that not only was the wind blowing from the south, but that it WAS POSSIBLE to set up at the Stadium parking lot. To do that you have on your side the fact that the test writers never said or implied that the LOT did not have space for the mobilization. Just because the concert at the stadium was full does not automatically translate to the lot not having room. Even if that is what the test writers meant, they did not make a statement in the test to make that clear. You can beat them on that.
Basically, hit DCAS on the above two points and you can most likely have this question turned to a double answer for A and D.
-- Edited by gotabimer on Sunday 20th of November 2011 09:51:45 AM
The City of New York Department of Citywide Administrative Services proposed answer key for PROMOTION TO SERGEANT (POLICE) Exam No. 1533 records choice "d" as a correct answer for question number 16.
Several crucial facts indicate that choice "a" is the most correct answer, and is as good as or better than the proposed key answer choice "d".
The question asks the reader to locate the appropriate mobilization point for an explosion that has occurred at a clinic where there is an orange smoke coming from the clinic. This orange smoke would indicate a hazardous material that is airborne and can be blown by the wind. Patrol Guide 212-37 (Hazardous Materials) states to establish frozen zones for 2-c. Explosion or fire: (1) Outdoors - at least 1000 feet in radius from explosive indicating that the mobilization point must be at least 1000 feet from the clinic. It further states to 18-b-(1) Choose area on high ground and/or upwind of hazardous material, if possible, to avoid contamination. Patrol Guide 213-02 (Emergency Incidents) then states that NOTE: Mobilization point should be of sufficient size to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
This leads the reader to look for 3 criteria in choosing a mobilization point: 1) that it is at least 1000 feet away from the clinic, 2) can accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization and 3), if possible, be located upwind.
For the 1000 feet minimum distance, the information for the map stated the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet. There were no scales on the map. This is very ambiguous and begs the question; is the distance measured from the same point on the two blocks? Could just going from one corner across the street to the other corner be 500 feet? Since there was one full block between the clinic and the stadium parking lot, then based on the given statement crossing 2 streets that separates 3 blocks (clinic, stadium parking lot, and the block between them) would meet the minimum distance of 1000 feet.
For the ability of the mobilization point to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, several material in the in-basket indicated there was a sold-out concert at the stadium that was over capacity. What was not mentioned was the size/capacity of the parking lot nor was mentioned how much of the parking lot was used/not available when determining if it could be used for a mobilization point. This can lead one to believe that perhaps the parking lot could have been very large and still have ample space even with an over-capacity event. The information given was not specific enough about the space available in the stadium parking lot. Therefore, the stadium parking lot must be assumed to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Finally, as for locating the mobilization point upwind, if possible, the introduction to the in-basket stated that winds were southern at 35 MPH. According to Webster Dictionary, both southern and southerly mean coming from the south <a southern breeze> meaning the wind blows from south to north. Since the stadium was south of the clinic and the wind is blowing north, then the stadium is upwind of the explosion and smoke.
In summation, choice "d", the park, may be over 1000 feet away and capable of accommodating a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, but it is downwind of an airborne hazardous material and IT WAS POSSIBLE to mobilize at the stadium parking lot. Choice "a" on the other hand, is a correct statement due to the fact that it meets all the criteria for a mobilization point: it is upwind, at least 1000 feet away, and is apparently able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Based upon the foregoing facts, choice "a" is noticeably the most correct answer, and as such, should be the key answer for question number 16. It is therefore respectfully requested that the Test Validation Board change the final key answer for question number 16 to read "a".
Yah i think so too. i don't blame him i would be doing the samething if i need a point or two. but i think it's a losing battle for him.
-- Edited by bigfoot45 on Monday 21st of November 2011 06:30:08 PM
Scammer is right when he says that the test writers never told us how big the parking lot was and how much of the space was used or available. Since they were never specific enough, you cannot just make assumptions based on the fact that a concert was going on.
For all we know, the parking lot could have been so big that half of it was empty.
He is right and all of you who don't understand that are tree-hugging libs.