I've been on this site for years and never posted before now. After that mess, I feel compelled though! WTF?? I studied my @ss off and used every school's material in one way or another. In my opinion, the only school that even came close was Rising Star. They put out a package on that leadership/judgement and grammar crap. Maybe they knew something? Either way, I wasn't expecting almost a quarter of the exam to be subjective leadership/judgement stuff.....

The last choice should be none of the above

Just pulled out my Rising Star lesson, week # 9. In their leadership guide, here's what they said:

The subject of leadership has been an increasingly discussed topic over the years in organizations. Many years ago, promotional exam writers utilized leadership concepts to test promotional candidates ability to understand basic supervisory roles in the police department. On recent examinations, several questions have again surfaced that did not specifically relate to any particular patrol guide procedure however, it asked the test taker to make a determination on a proper action for a supervisor to take when faced with some type of conflict where the best practices of leadership would determine the correct response. In this regard, the book Supervision of Police Personnel, written by N.F. Iannone, M.D. Iannone, and J. Bernstein (7th ed., 2009), is considered by many to be the bible of police supervision. Rising Star has utilized the material in this book to develop the questions in this section and deliver the focal learning concepts.

It is conceivable that you may encounter a question or two on your exam that relates to police supervision. While it is not the goal of Rising Star to teach an extensive lesson on the topic, it certainly is an area worth visiting for your test preparation.

For the most part, the questions should not be too difficult and common sense would be the rule to apply. Therefore, the questions which follow will put you in a scenario and ask you a question on the proper action to be taken. The answer section will then briefly describe the key leadership concept that was applied to arrive at that answer. Unless directed otherwise in the stem of the question or elsewhere, do not read into the question and change the situation or create your own with a what if.  Base your answer solely on the information given to you and what a reasonable supervisor should do under the circumstances.

Who are these guys from Rising Star, and how did they get out in front of this one??? hmmmmmmm..........

Dr Feet wrote:

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Just pulled out my Rising Star lesson, week # 9. In their leadership guide, here's what they said:

The subject of leadership has been an increasingly discussed topic over the years in organizations. Many years ago, promotional exam writers utilized leadership concepts to test promotional candidates ability to understand basic supervisory roles in the police department. On recent examinations, several questions have again surfaced that did not specifically relate to any particular patrol guide procedure however, it asked the test taker to make a determination on a proper action for a supervisor to take when faced with some type of conflict where the best practices of leadership would determine the correct response. In this regard, the book Supervision of Police Personnel, written by N.F. Iannone, M.D. Iannone, and J. Bernstein (7th ed., 2009), is considered by many to be the bible of police supervision. Rising Star has utilized the material in this book to develop the questions in this section and deliver the focal learning concepts.

It is conceivable that you may encounter a question or two on your exam that relates to police supervision. While it is not the goal of Rising Star to teach an extensive lesson on the topic, it certainly is an area worth visiting for your test preparation.

For the most part, the questions should not be too difficult and common sense would be the rule to apply. Therefore, the questions which follow will put you in a scenario and ask you a question on the proper action to be taken. The answer section will then briefly describe the key leadership concept that was applied to arrive at that answer. Unless directed otherwise in the stem of the question or elsewhere, do not read into the question and change the situation or create your own with a what if.  Base your answer solely on the information given to you and what a reasonable supervisor should do under the circumstances.

Who are these guys from Rising Star, and how did they get out in front of this one??? hmmmmmmm..........

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 I have to stick up for them.  Rising Star cuts out A LOT of the fat in the Patrol Guide, they brake down many of the procedures.  They also do encourage reading the P.G. itself and taking another course's In-basket.  However, had this exam been a 'normal' traditional exam with P.G., I.O.s, Legal Bulletins, etc., the Rising Star course would have been friutful.  There are a couple of courses out there that people swear by, but people study differently.  I personally dont like arrows going across a page pointing to boxes and circles or courses that start at P.G. 207, then jumps around.  To each their own. 

Here is some food for thought, 2010 Captain's Exam had 15 throw outs!  It will be interesting to see what happens in the spring/summer (hopefully it won't take that long) when they come out with the final answer key.  

Wishing all the best!

Stay thirsty my friends....

Wow! That info was on point! I know now that I will definitely be using Rising Star next time around!

lol

My public school english teacher!!!! Wish I'd paid better attention in english class. I thought if I needed to write a report I could simply use spell check on the computer

My public school english teacher!!!! Wish I'd paid better attention in english class. I thought if I needed to write a report I could simply use spell check on the computer

I'm sorry, but Rising Star nailed this one, if I only listened.  If I have time, I'll pull up the post with people complaining that RS questions had too many Select the least correct/Which is the most appropriate etc type questions and that's exactly what was on the test.  They also de-emphazied many topics that are exam staples by telling people to study the whole guide equally bec the questions can and will come from anywhere, including obscure procedures.  The biggest tip of all was of course the grammar and Police Supervision book that no one else covered, other than rising star.  It looks like the home study people who crammed for 2-3 months are the winners here.  Hard lesson learned: just because a school charges close to $1,000 bucks and "everybody" is going there doesn't mean they are the best.  Maybe next time 

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I didn't take this best, but you know it's f-up when those that studied were on the ledge and those that didn't are walking around thinking they have a shot. 

jill72 wrote:

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 Ahem.  Below is an email I got from rising star when i asked them a ? about the subjective stuff.  Advice was not heeded by stupid me. 

 

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You've got it!  That's why "A" is the correct choice.  Just remember this for the exam and you will be OK. 

With regard to your question about why we went "overboard" with Grammar, Math, and Police Supervison, we do feel that based on the past captain exam you might be seeing more subjective questions--questions that may even seem to contradict the patrol guide.  In reality, though, these questions will be hard to protest because they come from a book entitled "Supervison of Police Personnel" by Iannone and Bernstein.  Many departments use this book, and New York City is the only one that hasn't...until recently.  It's a quick read, and I strongly recommend you get it (or at least go over the sections we've included in our material).  Also, with grammar, you will see more grammar/reading comprehension questions on lieutenant and captain exams, this is the reason why we are also including more of it.

 

Good luck!    

 

 

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How can questions based on a book we were never told to read be hard to protest? It also contradicts a guide we are responsible to know. If you read the reviews of that book on Amazon half the people say its a book that is based on theories of how to supervise civilians in an office setting. RisingStar had inside info and is defending the questions. Seems a little suspicious to me.

We'll see what happens soon enough....