3testwonder wrote:

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There was crying going on for months. Its settled. Very good contract and no real givebacks.

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 Top pay here I come 

WartimeConsigliere wrote:

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This contract will pass. Not a chance in hell it doesnt. Hell, the lousy deal the city offered us last year would have passed, majority of this union are at top pay and just want their retro no matter what.

I just went through it for three years out of contract. Up to my eyes in debt and uncompensated job responsibilities. Because of when I got promoted. Im not seeing a day extra of top pay, which is gonna end up being two years less than the six year wonder changing next to me in the locker room. Tens of thousands of dollars. Im gonna end up getting paid LESS than my previous rank over the past three years. Doesnt matter to me if its only 3K. Im going to have to stay past twenty to get my numbers right.

I had no illusions that this would be fixed. But I hate the fact that the union, the mayor, the PC and everyone else are celebrating as though it was.

Plenty of guys who would have been stuck in the steps are going to make out ok. And Im glad for them, I am. But what kind of a goddamn cuckold would I be if I voted yes to this deal that does nothing for me except get me and people like me the pattern raises- which have been zeroed out because of inflation- that every other union got? My vote wont matter and we aint getting a better deal, I know this. But Ill be damned if this contract is gonna pass unanimously.

Ill be a no vote. Same as I was in 2021. And the contract will pass. Just like it did then.

-- Edited by WartimeConsigliere on Friday 18th of April 2025 03:13:41 AM

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My thoughts exactly.  The responses of the people not in our boat are pretty telling.  There is zero brotherhood in this union and nobody cares that were getting fucked because its not them.  Im happy all these rookie sergeants are going to top pay because I will always prefer for the money to be in a cops pocket than city coffers.  I just wish the rest of them felt the same about us.

No1isbetter wrote:

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I am in that very same sinking boat as you both, I respect everything youre saying & I can get behind it all, I will admit I am the very example of what the Union tried to accomplish, the desperate SGT whos needs the money enough to vote yet even though hes missing out on $50k+. I will never support Vallelong nor ever vote for him. Great they got us a half year of top pay retro, there shouldve been atleast a full year. Im just curious to know why we wouldnt be able to win a class action?

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 Cite the civil service law that requires sgts to be paid more than cops? In fact look at the contract. You knew the steps involved with your contract, you walked across the stage agreeing to those terms. Now terms changed after you signe and agreed to the deal making your terms be a bad investment, simply put now new promotees were signing contracts a lot more lucrative then yours. Thats no one fault not even your own. You simply made an agreement at a time where you thought was the right call but ended up w the shittiest deal. 

if you dont understand what Im getting at then you simply must look at this as buying a car. If another buyer 5 months later gets ur car for 20k less can you just return your car and say I want their deal? No bc contract law doesnt allow it. You guys have zero lawsuit but hey Im just a guy on the internet

No need to explain, man, you are correct on all points. Most of us have spent the better part of two decades in an environment where perps get five or six figure settlements after taking legitimate collars, crooks in 1pp make hundreds of thousands in unearned OT and get away with it, and now we are subject to a contract which enriches some while leaving others paid much less than they reasonably expected to be paid. It is a bitter pill to swallow- the union and its membership should not expect us to smile while we take it.

Truth has always been the most professional & level headed person on this board & Ive always respected his opinions & information. I also agree with you in a sense that, many that came before us, voted in their best interest only, as will the ones who came after us. As I said before, its hard to argue this isnt a good contract in terms of pay, percentages, & evening the playing field, but I argued & continue to argue the catastrophe the 2021 contract was. For those who did vote no in 2021, I respect you & that was honorable of you, those who voted yes, youre out for yourselves only.

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FelonyOutstretched wrote:

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Truthseeker seems to be one of the hardest yes voting company men on here. Another way of saying what you're writing is "you should have known that your coworkers would sell you out before you got promoted and then again after you got promoted."

Somehow these clowns think it was an unfair assumption to believe that the union we were joining would legally fight for us to be paid more than if we had never been promoted in the first place. And the "bad investment" you're saying we agreed to is the same exact deal that Sergeants promoted 1.5 years after us agreed to, but this unions incompetence benefited them and hurt us.

At the end of the day, you and every other yes voting SBA member sold out your coworkers in 2021 and received absolutely nothing in return. And now you're selling out the same coworkers in 2025.

Take your money and enjoy it. But don't pretend it's "the job" and "the city" fucking other cops. It's you.

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If you weren't a sergeant in 2021, you're going to do better with this new contract than the guys that were already sergeants then. Those guys had to do 4 years to hit top pay. They dont get any extra benefit from this new contract. The guys that were promoted late 2021 to early 2023 all go to top pay without having to do the full 4 or 5 years. That sounds like a win to me. Obviously it'd be great if everyone went straight to top pay when they get promoted. But it didn't happen with this proposed contract and I don't see how it'll happen now. 

Point is, the SBA messed up but I'm still voting yes. With the cost of everything up 20% from 2021 to now, this raise is the only way I can continue to keep a roof over my family's heads and food on the table.

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:

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Play the game better. I know a PO who deferred his promotion to detective for years. When the PBA settled he got a 6 figure retro and then took his promotion.
He played the city and didnt let the city play him. Everyone on here could have deferred the promotion. And not make 97k.

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 This is actually inaccurate, not the idea in general, but most of 2021 & 2022 promotions were from the 2017 list that was expiring, so it was either take promotion or study again & hope to score high enough not to lose more time. No one predicted this would happen so Im sure 100% of the people of the 2017 list that had the choice to take promotion or take another exam, took the promotion. 

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nychelper wrote:

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I was promoted december 2019 and did all years on 97k so i really had the end of the stick and im not here complaining. all i did was take the test to keep moving up and still wsiting to be promoted and if there someone that should be voting no is me but at this point i dont care i endure sll years snd so my vote will be yes iam 2 loan down the drain tired of living check by check and swiming in debt i need a retro to pay some of my loans and even out so i csn retire in 3 years im not even wsiting to be top pay Lt im the heck out!!!! Not bc i dislike the job but bc its too easy to loose it all now a day... it doesnt even have to be your mistske to get fired and most of the time even if you do the right choice now i days u get fired F that. Im out

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I agree with you! The one star Chief that just got fired was just doing what anyone else would have done. He was signing off on OT slips as per the Chief of Department. Instead of firing Lt.Epps or Chief Diddy, the department uses him as the scapegoat and destroyed his reputation/career.

I mean are you surprised. The PC goes after the easy targets. Gets her marching orders from mayor swagger. Shes a puppet and at worst a spoiled brat with zero experience. A liberal democrat with no real world experience that was earned. She will do nothing to help this job, shell fuck it up worse then it already is and then ask her daddy to get her a new toy to play with

Tier3scum wrote:

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I mean are you surprised. The PC goes after the easy targets. Gets her marching orders from mayor swagger. Shes a puppet and at worst a spoiled brat with zero experience and a democrat. She will do nothing to help this job, shell fuck it up worse then it already is she then ask her daddy to get her a new toy to play with

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Not surprised at all! She's another politician that doesn't deserve her position. 

Make Merit Matter Again!

Same here, let me know where to sign up

Feels great. Fuck the SBA

DeptIsaJoke wrote:

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Truthseeker is actually not a seeker of Truth. The Truth is 1,200 Sgts, got shafted as the union did NOT look after their best interests. So the assumption that those 1,200 sgts should vote yes and move on for the greater good of the other sgts who it worked out well for, is the dumbest thing I ever read on this thread.

If it was those 1,200 sgts whom only benefited from this contract, there would be a different tune in here.

Vinny is buffoon and somehow found a way to be worse than Pat Lynch. If you are 1 of those 1,200, you know how you should vote, it will pass anyway.

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I am one of those 1200 and I voted yes. I also would not shame anyone for how they voted. It is a personal choice.

For me I did the math and I think it is a fair contract. Would I have liked to see better retro numbers, yes of course. Do I think the SBA did a good job, no I feel they dragged their feet and this contract could have been accomplished last summer. However I am going to top pay and I am getting top pay way sooner than I should be. So although the retro is not great, I am getting way more money over the next few years that I was not getting before.

and in terms of truthseekers comment, his 635 posts on this board in my eyes has given him the right to give his opinion. He gave plenty of POs waiting to get made the inside intel. Something he did not have to do. Back when I was waiting to get promoted trolls started spreading false info for their personal entertainment truthseeker would come in and be a reliable source.

The city did not "give" anything. The city won the retro battle with the millions they saved by not paying 1.5 years of top pay retro to 1200 Sgts because our union is not good at bargaining.

Sergeants promoted after July 2023 were not only paid $22,000 more in real time than Sergeants promoted before them, they'll also receive more straight time retro than them for the same period. There's the savings.

I'm happy for all my coworkers that will finally make some/more money here, but don't think your union made a good deal. It took them 2 years of the city making interest on your money to settle the exact same deal all the other unions already settled. Two years of pretending they had never heard the words "12", "hours", or "tour" just to take a pilot program and identical raises anyway, lmao.

It seems like only you get it.  This is why cops are always broke. Financially illiterate. 

Edit: im not even gonna say what i should say

lets just vote and move on

ChuckTaylor wrote:

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Feels great. Fuck the SBA

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 Lmao 

tomSGT2022 wrote:

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Edit: im not even gonna say what i should say

lets just vote and move on

-- Edited by tomSGT2022 on Monday 21st of April 2025 10:07:02 PM

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 the job is alive baby 160!!

LGB2024 wrote:

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So Im assuming we should expect to see the retro on the second check in July???

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 Expect to see it with the Holiday pay. City always wins.

VetteCop wrote:

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"Remember the 1200."

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 Amazing