The fact the PC cancelled Sgts promotion again means that a resolution is near. They will most likely agree to some sort of pilot program

Negative. Im told nothing to do w contract. I was told vacancy numbers arent there. Dont shoot the messenger just what Im told

Yep, here come the *breaking news* texts in regards. What a time to be alive.

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Negative. Im told nothing to do w contract. I was told vacancy numbers arent there. Dont shoot the messenger just what Im told

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 Any idea what the vacancy numbers are at ? 

Been a week since the delegates meeting, still no SBA email. Updating the Daily News was more important.

There are 88 Sgts on terminal and the total Sgts is down to only 4100 its usually 4400-4500 from what Ive seen

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Been a week since the delegates meeting, still no SBA email. Updating the Daily News was more important.

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 Remember this when SBA elections come up!

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Negative. Im told nothing to do w contract. I was told vacancy numbers arent there. Dont shoot the messenger just what Im told

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 they would have to have a surplus of sergeants to not put in even a small class, hopefully this is a signal that they are trying to push this thing through. But then again this is the NYPD we will hopefully be pleasantly surprised soon enough.

LT: -84

SGT: -270

84 vacancies?

Negatives denoting vacancies or surpluses? Im assuming vacancies but thats going against intel/rumor mill.

Troll account don't believe.

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Negatives denoting vacancies or surpluses? Im assuming vacancies but thats going against intel/rumor mill.

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 Actual vs authorized headcount. So negative = vacancy 

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LT: -84

SGT: -270

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 does the 270 include the 88 on terminal ? 

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Testtakertastetester wrote:

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LT: -84

SGT: -270

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 does the 270 include the 88 on terminal ? 

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 Not sure. Don't know how Personnel does their math

Im gonna go with the earlier comment, think this is a troll job

Important Update: Sergeant Promotions on Hold Due to an ongoing dispute between the city and the Sergeants Benevolent Association (SBA), all promotions to Sergeant have been indefinitely put on hold. The stalemate between the two parties has brought the promotion process to a standstill. Furthermore, the Police Commissioner (PC) has decided to temporarily halt promotions of Police Officers/Detectives to supervisory roles due to internal personnel issues. Rumors are circulating that the current promotion list may be capped at 2500, sparking tensions between the Department of Citywide Administrative Services (DCAS) and the PC. If this happens, the SBA has threatened to take legal action against the city.

any truth behind this ?

Thats one of those breaking news WhatsApp posts. The answer youre looking for is a firm NO.

Lol the breaking news I got before this last one had Maddrey going off to be Deputy Mayor and literally every bureau chief leaving or shuffling around. 0% accurate. I could live to be 150 and never understand the troll mentality behind these things.

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Still no email update??? This is beyond absurd!!

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 April 17th is the next SBA meeting. You will get an update then, unless they call an emergency meeting between now and the 17th to vote. 

Its the same shit every month. This date is the next meeting, this date is the next meeting, this date is the next meeting, and nothing accomplished and no information from Union itself. No response letting us know where we stand with the city and how this refusing 12 hour tours will effect the process and our pay. Remember those numbers, $134k June & $140k December, because the city will change those #s in spite of refusing 12hr tours.

It's wild that the SBA has not put anything out to its members but gives it all to the Daily News. While we get info from the delegates, which no offense, is like a game of telephone.

Just put out a poll on the website for all Sgts, either Yes or No to 12 hour tours. Simple.

SBA will never do that because its not in THEIR best interest. If youre at 20+, if 12 hours doesnt benefit you and youre final number then maybe its time to leave.

If we were to accept 12 hour tours. Anyone on a 5-2 chart would lose their 27 chart days they build throughout the year. Essentially taking a $15,000 pay cut. But sure lets just accept it without any addition compensation.

12 hours doesnt apply to Units or Administrative positions. Even if it did, youre gaining atleast 1 day a week sometimes 2, so those days youre saving up youll already be off. How many sergeants work later now or come in early just to build that time off, and patrol SGTs arent getting 27 chart days. But enjoy your top pay while we all starve cuz youre worried about time.

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If we were to accept 12 hour tours. Anyone on a 5-2 chart would lose their 27 chart days they build throughout the year. Essentially taking a $15,000 pay cut. But sure lets just accept it without any addition compensation.

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 I'll repeat, let's put it to vote. We're a union...right?

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DIRT_Squad wrote:

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If we were to accept 12 hour tours. Anyone on a 5-2 chart would lose their 27 chart days they build throughout the year. Essentially taking a $15,000 pay cut. But sure lets just accept it without any addition compensation.

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 I'll repeat, let's put it to vote. We're a union...right?

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 Are we? Doesnt feel like it 

Its just such a weak plank to negotiate on.

12 hour tours- which the PBA fought FOR, which lieutenants accepted without a fight the union is saying sergeants- specifically sergeants and no one else- cant do the same 12 hour tours that everyone else is doing because reasons.

From the outside looking in it must really seem absurd.

Add the fact that smart money has the whole pilot program getting canned by the PC shortly, and its yet another WTF, SBA situation.

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Its just such a weak plank to negotiate on.

 

12 hour tours- which the PBA fought FOR, which lieutenants accepted without a fight the union is saying sergeants- specifically sergeants and no one else- cant do the same 12 hour tours that everyone else is doing because reasons.

 

From the outside looking in it must really seem absurd.

 

Add the fact that smart money has the whole pilot program getting canned by the PC shortly, and its yet another WTF, SBA situation.

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 Exactly, by the time they decide to implement the 12 hour tours the pilot program will eventually be cancelled. Out of all the Pct, Housing, and Transit district only a small % of command are doing the 12 hour tours. Put it to vote and let us get our money and after December renegotiate VINNY! 

SBA, The worst nypd union period! Put the fuking contract to vote, I am sure 80% of this union will be voting yes. These fuking dinosaurs want to continue making the final decisions for the majority of its union members. Stop stalling and put it to vote.

I seriously think the city is give big checks to these SBA UNION people starting with the vin basically giving money probably under the table to shut up and stall the contract so that the city makes interest on our retro money on interest everyday that passes and since these union rep are getting rich they dont care about us loosing money every dam day! But everything come to light and we will see doen the line exacly hoe much miney are the union rep taking for the loe struggling sgts to nit make ends meet on biweekely base i live check to check and the knly thing keeping me sane its paid detail checks to help w the bills i mever thought that getting promoted i would be in this situation been promoted since 2019 and here we are just sitting ducks with no date of contract bc vin sucks ass we need to kick em out is there a way to do this ?

Here is a line of thinking I would like our representatives to present to the mediator and the city, and I genuinely would like to hear the counter argument.

I was promoted to sergeant. I did not expect to become wealthy or do less work than I previously did at the rank of PO. From the day of my promotion, I expected to receive a higher base salary than the people I supervise and am responsible for. I further expected to receive the same or more in base salary than those promoted after me.

Were these unreasonable expectations?

A couple more SBA meetings to get through and then Vinny and the glizzy gobblers go on their well earned summer break

Also need to drop the annual "we're on track for Christmas" so we can get our hopes up that'll we'll have more finances for ourselves and our families.

I think this year marks the third Christmas since the initial prediction.

Keep up the good work SBA - this is totally and completely the city's fault and you have no culpability whatsoever. 

Exactly whats going to happen. They get to the summer, take off, have the picnic where they spew all their BS to every member present. Then pivot to the on track for Christmas play book followed by the city is negotiating in bad faith to the new year. Then rinse and repeat

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the City definitely is negotiating in bad faith?

Last contract round the union was bashed for accepting shitty contract, many blamed retro greedy members. This time they are trying not to do the same and now everyone wants to to just settle and take whatever the city shoves down your throat? I am no fan on union but make up ya mind.

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Has it ever occurred to anyone that the City definitely is negotiating in bad faith?

Last contract round the union was bashed for accepting shitty contract, many blamed retro greedy members. This time they are trying not to do the same and now everyone wants to to just settle and take whatever the city shoves down your throat? I am no fan on union but make up ya mind.

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 I thought it was only the 12 hour thing that was holding us back,According to the union unless theres other givebacks. This is why everyone is complaining.

According to SBA President Vallelong despite ongoing rumors there will be a large promotion to the rank of Sergeant on April 25,2025. Due to the lack of promotions of the past few months this class will consist of 275 newly promoted Sergeants who will be the last class to go straight to top pay. After this class he suspects the contract will be settled and the pay difference will even out throughout the rank. Despite further rumors SBA will not be going to 12 hour tour no matter how hard the city pushes. This is unsafe and does not benefit the membership. He did verify that this list will be cut at some point but would not give a list number in which he feels is safe. Anther breaking news WhatsApp post.

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According to SBA President Vallelong despite ongoing rumors there will be a large promotion to the rank of Sergeant on April 25,2025. Due to the lack of promotions of the past few months this class will consist of 275 newly promoted Sergeants who will be the last class to go straight to top pay. After this class he suspects the contract will be settled and the pay difference will even out throughout the rank. Despite further rumors SBA will not be going to 12 hour tour no matter how hard the city pushes. This is unsafe and does not benefit the membership. He did verify that this list will be cut at some point but would not give a list number in which he feels is safe. Anther breaking news WhatsApp post.

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 I give up, Ill just enjoy some outdoor activities with the nice weather Until we see an actual contract. This only between trying to squeeze what little overtime  I can get and watching paid details disappear like a steak thrown into a piranha tank.

LOL my WhatsApp group text says no Sgt promos till October. If only there were some way for the Union to communicate officially with its members

There is 0% chance it goes all the way till October with no Sgt promos. Also dont believe 275 Sgts going in April either but it cant be too much longer before the Sgt Promotions pick back up 

Please read the SBA Bylaws and Constitution. Since these morons shockingly went unopposed, they need to be challenged. We need 10 delegates that are on the same page. The membership wont be able to vote if the vote never leaves Antuns. DM me if interested, the cycle is up June, 2026. The planning needs to start now. Theres a bunch of delegates on here. Time to figure this out.

I have maybe 1-2 years left in this rank but I fully support this & really root for you guys to put together a team that takes this piece of shit out, if Im still in rank by then, you have my vote

I wonder how many 26+ year old cops (w/o kids or mortage)are making more $$ then 40+ year old Sgts with kids and a mortgage. Can NYC or the SBA do an analysis?

I googled the by laws. I did not see anything about a vote of no confidence which is unfortunate. But I did read something about the president the board are supposed to keep the members updated on these matters. Which they clearly arent. Also if no one challenges these clowns. We really are a pathetic union. I think the time has come where the delegates need to get signatures together of those who think we should just have the membership vote on whats being offered to us right now including the 12 hour tours. Clearly this board doesnt care what we have to say. But maybe if they just see how many people are disgusted with their shit and antics and selfish ways. We can put a flame to their ass and force them to ask us what we, the membership, want.

You have my vote, just get it done within the next 12 months!

chalking it up that by the time it comes around a lot of us won't even be in this rank and eligible to vote for the union and/or contract... probably their plan.