If they only have one and then nothing til January, that will suck big time for the movement of this list. I guess we will all see.
gmen18 said
Jul 31, 2020
if they have started planning sept, idk what makes people believe they would have oct, nov, dec, jan already planned.
bluefinest29 said
Aug 7, 2020
Take this with a grain of salt.. I heard this today in the Manhattan north borough office that there will not be any promotions till January. I hope this is not true but just wanted to post it.. in case anyone heard the same or similar
-- Edited by bluefinest29 on Friday 7th of August 2020 01:28:08 AM
BROOKLYN77 said
Aug 7, 2020
Are they waiting until commands are begging for more sergeants, lieutenants, and captains? Commands are so short handed. I don't see them waiting until January, that's insane.
wereinbacklog said
Aug 7, 2020
Hearing no promos of any kind indefinitely
BROOKLYN77 said
Aug 8, 2020
If they promote commands will become separately short in no time. What a complete crock of bull**** if this is true.
TransitJoe said
Aug 8, 2020
Did you see yesterdays orders? Commands just got resupplied with sgts from cttf and homeless outreach unit.
Bklynsouth3020 said
Aug 8, 2020
From June 1 - July 31 202 sgts put papers in. They can disband CTTF and homeless outreach but thats a short term solution to a longer term problem. I still havent seen any news on a new test
Dahomeless1 said
Aug 8, 2020
TransitJoe wrote:
Did you see yesterdays orders? Commands just got resupplied with sgts from cttf and homeless outreach unit.
Do not pay that attention! 2 of the sgts from homeless outreach are running time. They been running time since covid. And should be officially retired as of end of August. Its only 2 but that's how inaccurate the count is on bosses moving from units to PCT commands. I can imagine the same for CTTF a few bosses maybe running time prior to or after moving from the unit.
3rdtimetheCharm said
Aug 8, 2020
Dahomeless1 wrote:
TransitJoe wrote:
Did you see yesterdays orders? Commands just got resupplied with sgts from cttf and homeless outreach unit.
Do not pay that attention! 2 of the sgts from homeless outreach are running time. They been running time since covid. And should be officially retired as of end of August. Its only 2 but that's how inaccurate the count is on bosses moving from units to PCT commands. I can imagine the same for CTTF a few bosses maybe running time prior to or after moving from the unit.
Not only that, but the handful of Sgts that were transferred barely makes a dent.
BROOKLYN77 said
Aug 8, 2020
I don't see how they can go the rest of the year without any promotions of Sgts and LTs.
Bklynsouth3020 said
Aug 8, 2020
TransitJoe wrote:
Did you see yesterdays orders? Commands just got resupplied with sgts from cttf and homeless outreach unit.
Resupplied? I just took a look at the order. Its 25 sgts. Thats about a weeks worth of retirements right Now. Big whoop
rookiebit_h said
Aug 8, 2020
Bklynsouth3020 wrote:
TransitJoe wrote:
Did you see yesterdays orders? Commands just got resupplied with sgts from cttf and homeless outreach unit.
Resupplied? I just took a look at the order. Its 25 sgts. Thats about a weeks worth of retirements right Now. Big whoop
lmao 100%
Dahomeless1 said
Aug 8, 2020
Bklynsouth3020 wrote:
TransitJoe wrote:
Did you see yesterdays orders? Commands just got resupplied with sgts from cttf and homeless outreach unit.
Resupplied? I just took a look at the order. Its 25 sgts. Thats about a weeks worth of retirements right Now. Big whoop
Exactly... not enough to make a difference. Besides after the summer is over I am sure these same Sgts and Lt's will be looking for the next gig to move on to.
BROOKLYN77 said
Aug 11, 2020
I called the promotional unit yesterday to get some actual information and I was informed that there has been nothing official about there being no BMOC class for September. I was also told to get off Rising Star because it will make you want to slit your wrists.
Theforceisstrongwiththisone said
Aug 12, 2020
BROOKLYN77 wrote:
I called the promotional unit yesterday to get some actual information and I was informed that there has been nothing official about there being no BMOC class for September. I was also told to get off Rising Star because it will make you want to slit your wrists.
probably october...if you are above 1600 on this sgt list...you wont get made. Sorry but true.
3rdtimetheCharm said
Aug 12, 2020
Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
BROOKLYN77 wrote:
I called the promotional unit yesterday to get some actual information and I was informed that there has been nothing official about there being no BMOC class for September. I was also told to get off Rising Star because it will make you want to slit your wrists.
probably october...if you are above 1600 on this sgt list...you wont get made. Sorry but true.
Shhhh, quiet. The adults are talking
yougonow said
Aug 12, 2020
Heads up emails were sent out the other day from NYC Office of Management and Budget. They are requesting all city agencies to submit in detail how they will slash and save their budget by October 1st. This is 100% real.
What that means... no idea for us. What does it mean for academy class? No idea.
tdcarlin1 said
Aug 12, 2020
I think its safe to say that they won't be holding an academy class for a while...and there's no way the unions will, or should, give anything back to stave off potential layoffs. i also cant see layoffs occuring as we are already losing so many to attrition. Im curious what our manpower is right now compared to 6 months ago. gotta be down a lot
Bklynsouth3020 said
Aug 12, 2020
tdcarlin1 wrote:
I think its safe to say that they won't be holding an academy class for a while...and there's no way the unions will, or should, give anything back to stave off potential layoffs. i also cant see layoffs occuring as we are already losing so many to attrition. Im curious what our manpower is right now compared to 6 months ago. gotta be down a lot
I can confirm for you that we are down approximately 1100 Umos from June 1. What I dont know is what the exact number was as of June 1.
rookiebit_h said
Aug 13, 2020
theyre forcing tier 2 out the door
3rdtimetheCharm said
Aug 13, 2020
rookiebit_h wrote:
theyre forcing tier 2 out the door
They can force all they want, but the last of tier 2 (for the most part) have 7-8 maybe 9 years left.
MakeMattersWorse said
Aug 13, 2020
3rdtimetheCharm wrote:
rookiebit_h wrote:
theyre forcing tier 2 out the door
They can force all they want, but the last of tier 2 (for the most part) have 7-8 maybe 9 years left.
I think they are referring to pushing out the Tier 2 guys who have the option of the best of 3 year average. Most tier 2 guys left can only use their final salary. I believe that contract ended 2001/2002
bluefinest29 said
Aug 13, 2020
Just heard somewhat good news that there is a possibility for a class in September from a source within 1pp.. hopefully its true we shall see.
Sgtnogood said
Aug 13, 2020
Please no one knows ****. Promotions won't pick up till next year
3rdtimetheCharm said
Aug 13, 2020
Sgtnogood wrote:
Please no one knows ****. Promotions won't pick up till next year
Says no one knows anything, then proceeds to tells us what he knows
SillyGoose said
Aug 14, 2020
Lol
Conditionsuck said
Aug 17, 2020
BREAKING NEWS:
Overtime - The following changes are in the works and will
Be confirmed in the coming weeks,..
Intel - 30 a month for ALL investigative units. Admin personnel gets zero OT as per Finest Message/PG 205-17 Overtime. ICOs get zero OT unless they go on enforcement operations with their Borough intel teams (as approved by respective Boro COs). FIOs at precinct level only get OT off of search warrants and NOT debriefings.
DB - 30 a month....due to increase in violence citywide and lapse in cases, an exception will
be made to this Bureau. They will go back to 40 a month,..but only for investigative units such as PDUs, Narco and Gang to allow them to close these cases. Other investigative units (i.e., DBIU, RTCC, CED, CID, etc.) will go to 35 hours a month. ICOs get zero OT unless they go out on operations with Boro Narco/Gang squads. DB admin gets zero overtime...theyre not investigating,..
Patrol/Housing/Transit - No OT for admin positions (ICOs, Admin LT, SOL, Training Sgt, Traffic Sgt, etc.). Only ARREST OT,....
SOL - will oversee the following units:
NCO - will become intimately familiar in their daily operations and will work more closely with them regarding quality of life conditions.
Neighborhood Response Team - new unit.
Domestic Violence Sgt, Traffic Sergeant and Training Sergeant.
Final touches will come down in the coming weeks.
Admin Lt - Will work closely with CO and Crime Analysis Sergeant regarding the allocation of personnel. Will no longer oversee Training Sgt and Traffic Safety Sgt.
ICOs - Will be reassigned to each respective Boro,...they will report directly to the Boro Adjutant. No OT unless theyre assigned to Crime Suppresion details. Assistant ICOs will cover patrol at least two days out of the week (Desk Officer, Patrol Supervisor, Details etc.) to cover manpower in each respective command.
Transfers - No transfers until after Labor Day. There will be executive movement in the coming months.
IAB - Theyre not picking up from next SAB boards (So put in your apps NOW LOL!!!). They picked from the last SAB board (Oct & Dec SAB boards).
Boro/Bureau Investigations - 35 hours a month. However, 1/3 of their Sergeants will go back to Patrol. Temporary transfers to these units were REVOKED as of July 1, 2020. These Sergeants/Lieutenants will be sent back to patrol (good for them lol).
RMB - Theyre revamping how they monitor personnel. Details are in the works.
No changes for managers (Chiefs) in the near future.......
Stay tuned.......
tdcarlin1 said
Aug 18, 2020
lol neighborhood response team! so anti-crime in uniform?
soccerpsyco32 said
Aug 18, 2020
ICO boro rumor is false. Fake news. They are not pulling anyone out of a precinct right now. Where do people get this garbage from? SMH
yougonow said
Aug 18, 2020
Some people have an amazing amount of time on their hands.
cop said
Aug 18, 2020
From the Academy: As of right now promotions are expected to pick back up due to shortages. APD is processing applicants for October but instructors at academy have been told no class till July 1,21. They do not believe this will be possible due to the sheer retirement numbers but this is what the instructors at the academy were told. Hope this helps and hope promotions do continue For all ranks.
3rdtimetheCharm said
Aug 18, 2020
soccerpsyco32 wrote:
ICO boro rumor is false. Fake news. They are not pulling anyone out of a precinct right now. Where do people get this garbage from? SMH
They can still be in the commands, but assigned to the boro.
City council submitted for plan to lay off 4100 uniform members of nypd. I dont know if this includes 2k that has retired yet or not. They are going after everyone on probation or w less then 5 years service
If you are wondering what this means, dont know. It certainly is not good news for promos thats for sure if it happens
Waiting too long said
Aug 22, 2020
I bet changing peoples days off is a way to push out tier 2.
Truthseeker said
Aug 22, 2020
Could be. I think it has more to do w 1pp, detail coverage, etc on straight time now. Save on the overtime
rookiebit_h said
Aug 22, 2020
Waiting too long wrote:
I bet changing peoples days off is a way to push out tier 2.
this is their main plan.. strong arm them out
Bklynsouth3020 said
Aug 22, 2020
Corey Johnson is saying that letter going around is a fake
GangGreenMets said
Aug 22, 2020
Check Corey Johnsons Twitter, he says this is fake.
3rdtimetheCharm said
Aug 23, 2020
Waiting too long wrote:
I bet changing peoples days off is a way to push out tier 2.
If you have over 20 years and this forces you off before you want to thats weak. Also there is still another 8 or do years of tier 2 guys before they can retire. I wanna say tier 3 started in 09?
thisjobsucks said
Aug 23, 2020
3rdtimetheCharm wrote:
Waiting too long wrote:
I bet changing peoples days off is a way to push out tier 2.
If you have over 20 years and this forces you off before you want to thats weak. Also there is still another 8 or do years of tier 2 guys before they can retire. I wanna say tier 3 started in 09?
July 1, 1973 to June 30, 2000 is Tier 2.
July 01, 2000 to June 30 2009 is Tier 2A
July 1, 2009 to March 30, 2012 Tier 3 Original
April 1, 2012 to March 30, 2017 Tier 3 Revised
April 1, 2017 to Present Tier 3 Enhanced
-- Edited by thisjobsucks on Monday 24th of August 2020 12:17:20 AM
Take this with a grain of salt.. I heard this today in the Manhattan north borough office that there will not be any promotions till January. I hope this is not true but just wanted to post it.. in case anyone heard the same or similar
-- Edited by bluefinest29 on Friday 7th of August 2020 01:28:08 AM
Do not pay that attention! 2 of the sgts from homeless outreach are running time. They been running time since covid. And should be officially retired as of end of August. Its only 2 but that's how inaccurate the count is on bosses moving from units to PCT commands. I can imagine the same for CTTF a few bosses maybe running time prior to or after moving from the unit.
Not only that, but the handful of Sgts that were transferred barely makes a dent.
Resupplied? I just took a look at the order. Its 25 sgts. Thats about a weeks worth of retirements right Now. Big whoop
lmao 100%
Exactly... not enough to make a difference. Besides after the summer is over I am sure these same Sgts and Lt's will be looking for the next gig to move on to.
probably october...if you are above 1600 on this sgt list...you wont get made. Sorry but true.
Shhhh, quiet. The adults are talking
What that means... no idea for us. What does it mean for academy class? No idea.
I can confirm for you that we are down approximately 1100 Umos from June 1. What I dont know is what the exact number was as of June 1.
They can force all they want, but the last of tier 2 (for the most part) have 7-8 maybe 9 years left.
I think they are referring to pushing out the Tier 2 guys who have the option of the best of 3 year average. Most tier 2 guys left can only use their final salary. I believe that contract ended 2001/2002
Says no one knows anything, then proceeds to tells us what he knows
Lol
Overtime - The following changes are in the works and will
Be confirmed in the coming weeks,..
Intel - 30 a month for ALL investigative units. Admin personnel gets zero OT as per Finest Message/PG 205-17 Overtime. ICOs get zero OT unless they go on enforcement operations with their Borough intel teams (as approved by respective Boro COs). FIOs at precinct level only get OT off of search warrants and NOT debriefings.
DB - 30 a month....due to increase in violence citywide and lapse in cases, an exception will
be made to this Bureau. They will go back to 40 a month,..but only for investigative units such as PDUs, Narco and Gang to allow them to close these cases. Other investigative units (i.e., DBIU, RTCC, CED, CID, etc.) will go to 35 hours a month. ICOs get zero OT unless they go out on operations with Boro Narco/Gang squads. DB admin gets zero overtime...theyre not investigating,..
Patrol/Housing/Transit - No OT for admin positions (ICOs, Admin LT, SOL, Training Sgt, Traffic Sgt, etc.). Only ARREST OT,....
SOL - will oversee the following units:
NCO - will become intimately familiar in their daily operations and will work more closely with them regarding quality of life conditions.
Neighborhood Response Team - new unit.
Domestic Violence Sgt, Traffic Sergeant and Training Sergeant.
Final touches will come down in the coming weeks.
Admin Lt - Will work closely with CO and Crime Analysis Sergeant regarding the allocation of personnel. Will no longer oversee Training Sgt and Traffic Safety Sgt.
ICOs - Will be reassigned to each respective Boro,...they will report directly to the Boro Adjutant. No OT unless theyre assigned to Crime Suppresion details. Assistant ICOs will cover patrol at least two days out of the week (Desk Officer, Patrol Supervisor, Details etc.) to cover manpower in each respective command.
Transfers - No transfers until after Labor Day. There will be executive movement in the coming months.
Promotions - October,...some discretionary promotions ,....
IAB - Theyre not picking up from next SAB boards (So put in your apps NOW LOL!!!). They picked from the last SAB board (Oct & Dec SAB boards).
Boro/Bureau Investigations - 35 hours a month. However, 1/3 of their Sergeants will go back to Patrol. Temporary transfers to these units were REVOKED as of July 1, 2020. These Sergeants/Lieutenants will be sent back to patrol (good for them lol).
RMB - Theyre revamping how they monitor personnel. Details are in the works.
No changes for managers (Chiefs) in the near future.......
Stay tuned.......
From the Academy: As of right now promotions are expected to pick back up due to shortages. APD is processing applicants for October but instructors at academy have been told no class till July 1,21. They do not believe this will be possible due to the sheer retirement numbers but this is what the instructors at the academy were told. Hope this helps and hope promotions do continue For all ranks.
They can still be in the commands, but assigned to the boro.
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Lts would be upfront on that day... POs to Sgt will be notified prob beginning of Sept so theyll know first if its legit
new Charts starting August 31
City council submitted for plan to lay off 4100 uniform members of nypd. I dont know if this includes 2k that has retired yet or not. They are going after everyone on probation or w less then 5 years service
this is their main plan.. strong arm them out
If you have over 20 years and this forces you off before you want to thats weak. Also there is still another 8 or do years of tier 2 guys before they can retire. I wanna say tier 3 started in 09?
July 1, 1973 to June 30, 2000 is Tier 2.
July 01, 2000 to June 30 2009 is Tier 2A
July 1, 2009 to March 30, 2012 Tier 3 Original
April 1, 2012 to March 30, 2017 Tier 3 Revised
April 1, 2017 to Present Tier 3 Enhanced
-- Edited by thisjobsucks on Monday 24th of August 2020 12:17:20 AM