Lt Test you are 100% right. The schools prepare you for a conventional test (i.e. how tests have historically been written). It appears that formula is no longer effective as far as recent Lt and Capt tests go
LtTest2015 said
Apr 19, 2015
I really don't think there will be a lot if any throw outs if any! Thinking about questions and then looking the actual answers up, they really made sure they got it right. Sucks and they really dug deep to f**k us
63ASAP said
Apr 19, 2015
I was thinking the exact same thing. The goal was to make a test like 2011 minus the throwouts and it looks like they might have succeeded. It's clear that for anyone who studied passing was a complete luck of the draw. Though if that is the case it's very likely that there will be another test in under two years a la Captain style.
GDASSCLUB said
Apr 19, 2015
I don't think the test writers were looking to screw anybody. Their goal was to make a hard test with a less than %10 pass ratio. I studied my ass off and consider myself a good test taker. Well this test was out of my leauge. I just wasn't smart enough and I didnt hold the mental capabilities to get through the test. I got beat and it sucks.
Gamblor said
Apr 19, 2015
Dr Resnick wrote:
I got a potential of 65. The equation is simply just the total (120) divided by how many "correct" u got. Not counting the "maybes", and obviously the throw outs/double answers/research. Basically there is noway of knowing where you really stand until the research questions r taken out of the equation.
That is not at all how the equation works. It already factors in the 20 research questions and gives you an assumed amount of "maybes". The only thing it can't determine are throwouts, but other than that, the accuracy is fairly good.
Junius78 wrote:
After entering into the spreadsheet, my pontential score was 70. Is that factoring in research questions... As in i may have a 70-78 or is 70 highest bet?
Yes, that does factor in research questions. 70 is your probable score.
skiguy37 said
Apr 19, 2015
79 on gamblor key... Still not confident at all on that beast of an exam. And I still stand by my other words: "**** you to the test writers"
EDPs R Fun said
Apr 19, 2015
Hey guys, like everyone else that took the Lt's test I am so bummed out. I am sorry for all of you that are feeling this way because you all deserve better than this. I studied for 7 months straight and I thought I had it. After inputting my answers into Gamblor's spreadsheet, I scored a 64. Do I stand a chance With an output of a 64?
-- Edited by EDPs R Fun on Sunday 19th of April 2015 11:56:52 PM
Southerly winds said
Apr 19, 2015
78 on Gamblor key
1METSFAN said
Apr 20, 2015
I'm at a 61 potential score. I have multiple double and triple answers I got wrong. Hoping to get a 70.
96Times6 said
Apr 20, 2015
To Gamblor:
Is there an update forthcoming tonight?
supercop said
Apr 20, 2015
Where do I send my answer key to?
FranknBeans said
Apr 20, 2015
I'm out I only got 19 right out of the first 60. Epic failure.
sixmonthwonder said
Apr 20, 2015
Even if I passed, I want to fight the guys who wrote the test. Someone set up the smoker please.
Junius78 said
Apr 20, 2015
EDPs R Fun wrote:
Hey guys, like everyone else that took the Lt's test I am so bummed out. I am sorry for all of you that are feeling this way because you all deserve better than this. I studied for 7 months straight and I thought I had it. After inputting my answers into Gamblor's spreadsheet, I scored a 64. Do I stand a chance With an output of a 64?
-- Edited by EDPs R Fun on Sunday 19th of April 2015 11:56:52 PM
I asked gamblor what my potential 70 means. It means about 95% that will be around my score minus or plus one or two points. That factors in research questions in favor
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1unda said
Apr 20, 2015
Great f-ing morale booster. That exam looked like the last sh$t I took. What kind of a scam is this. Take a step back and look at this. It's Unexplainabl. They should be embarrassed to promote off this list of lucky sgts. Nobody in the right mind could have done well in this. These tests are gonna be like fD. U have to study for years to make it.
ondeeair2321 said
Apr 20, 2015
yeah this is a abortion this test. if this key holds any weight i d say you have to have under 40 & under wrong to even be in the running. trust me at 37 i am not holding my breath with capt insano. i heard last week this nitemare has pages of evil counter material to screw people over.
DOS_EQUIS said
Apr 20, 2015
ATTN MAC users:
Initially, I was not able to input my answers using my Macbook either.
I downloaded the document, then emailed the document to my GMAIL email account, opened the document via email, and it worked like a charm.
-- Edited by DOS_EQUIS on Monday 20th of April 2015 12:54:27 AM
1unda said
Apr 20, 2015
ondeaire. I remember u from my Sgt. Test. People used to hate on u but u had credible info al
1unda said
Apr 20, 2015
Sorry. Got cut off. Are u at a 64? I think the variables that are remaining can make such a big swing but gamblor said its plus or minus 4. I don't see it can be that accurat.
Junius78 said
Apr 20, 2015
If youre on iphone or ipad you can just open it in the 'numbers' app and input from there
New2this said
Apr 20, 2015
66. HOPE there are a few questions thrown out. Also, hope that the twenty questions don't work against me. 7 possible double answers.
1unda said
Apr 20, 2015
Maybe I'm not thinking about this correctly. This key said I got a 64. But the possibility that I am plus 20 or minus 20 is equal. So how could it be accurate to plus or minus 4.
Su Madre 24 said
Apr 20, 2015
How many samples are we up to right now. Did we get an update yet
How many samples are we up to right now. Did we get an update yet
Update not posted yet, I'm still entering keys. Close to 80 now.
supercop said
Apr 20, 2015
66 for me with 5 doubles possible fml
Gluestick said
Apr 20, 2015
I just don't see how this key can be accurate. Was it accurate in 2011?, because 168 raw score passed that test out of 3000+ who took it. After the throw outs and double answers it went to 700+. Not sure if that will be the cases here. The majority failed this test no doubt about that so it looks like this key has some issues inputting a bunch of failing keys. But if it worked for the 2011 test, i guess there is something to it.
Samiam32 said
Apr 20, 2015
Good point.
narco26 said
Apr 20, 2015
I got 43 wrong out of 120 what would my score be.
Gamblor said
Apr 20, 2015
Gluestick wrote:
I just don't see how this key can be accurate. Was it accurate in 2011?, because 168 raw score passed that test out of 3000+ who took it. After the throw outs and double answers it went to 700+. Not sure if that will be the cases here. The majority failed this test no doubt about that so it looks like this key has some issues inputting a bunch of failing keys. But if it worked for the 2011 test, i guess there is something to it.
I can't account for throwouts or changes to the answer key, nor do I claim to. This key will get your score very close to what you would have with no changes to the exam. If they make 20 changes like they did in 2011, you'll do significantly better. If they only do a few, then your final score will also be close to this key.
The main point of this key to to provide a small level of comfort to those that likely passed.
Gamblor said
Apr 20, 2015
narco26 wrote:
I got 43 wrong out of 120 what would my score be.
Put your answers into the spreadsheet and it will tell you.
soccerpsyco32 said
Apr 20, 2015
Gluestick wrote:
I just don't see how this key can be accurate. Was it accurate in 2011?, because 168 raw score passed that test out of 3000+ who took it. After the throw outs and double answers it went to 700+. Not sure if that will be the cases here. The majority failed this test no doubt about that so it looks like this key has some issues inputting a bunch of failing keys. But if it worked for the 2011 test, i guess there is something to it.
The key Gamblor creates utilizes basic principles of statistical probability. It is indeed very accurate on the whole. I don't believe Gamblor created keys for the 2011 exams. I think his first endeavor was with the 2013 SGT Exam and with the 2013 Captain and 2014 Captain exams. The 2013 SGT exam was the first exam where DCAS threw the curveball research questions in. We had 30 extra, and even with those 30 extra questions, Gamblor's key placed my likely score at an 88. When I went to the protest session, I discovered I had an 89. Gamblor's key was accurate to within 1 point, not only for myself but for the vast majority of test takers. Just reference the 2013 SGT forum and you can see for yourself. The only thing Gamblor's key does not account for is throw outs. Any throw outs are determined by the Test Validation Board. In 2011, promotional school instructors were able to sit for the exam and submit protests. This resulted in an unprecedented amount of questions being thrown out. Those who took the 2015 test will NOT have the advantage of having the promotional exam instructors advocate for them at the protest, as a consequence, there will likely be far FEWER throw outs this time around.
Samiam32 said
Apr 20, 2015
Thank you for taking the time to create the answer key. I think that the grumbling is just due to everyone's frustration. What I would like to know is, can you see any changes in the answers with the additional answer keys that you've just added? Also will you be posting an updated answer key tonight?
narco26 said
Apr 20, 2015
At work on the street just wondering if I have a chance with 43 wrong, thanks.
NoMoreTests said
Apr 20, 2015
Has anyone heard from any of the schools or are they maintaining radio silence?
Su Madre 24 said
Apr 20, 2015
I text yanosik after the test and he called me asap. He said his people told him the pg procedures were ones he feeled he had covered. He seemed upset and shocked that they threw 10 of those "things" that started on question 24. (I'm not giving hints but you know)
DRPapi1983 said
Apr 20, 2015
narco26 wrote:
At work on the street just wondering if I have a chance with 43 wrong, thanks.
Thank you for putting it together but i think there are too many variables. People are submitting corrupt keys so you are going to have corrupt results. If the results are like 2011 with just 168 or a 4% pass rate. If you get 100 keys and only 10-15% scored above a 70. The number just don't add up. I got a 50 on Gamblor key, I studied my ass off and think I actually a 70. I got a 62 the 2011 test and finished with a 68 after throw outs
It might have worked with the Sgts test when you were getting more than at 4% pass rate. Bad data = Bad results.
DRPapi1983 said
Apr 20, 2015
Hopefully I will be in there,....not sure what to think,...
robocop31 said
Apr 20, 2015
Will we have an a update tonight?
DRPapi1983 said
Apr 20, 2015
Gluestick wrote:
Thank you for putting it together but i think there are too many variables. People are submitting corrupt keys so you are going to have corrupt results. If the results are like 2011 with just 168 or a 4% pass rate. If you get 100 keys and only 10-15% scored above a 70. The number just don't add up. I got a 50 on Gamblor key, I studied my ass off and think I actually a 70. I got a 62 the 2011 test and finished with a 68 after throw outs
It might have worked with the Sgts test when you were getting more than at 4% pass rate. Bad data = Bad results.
I think Gamblor's answer key is pretty accurate. We will see the results May 18th (5th Monday)
Gluestick said
Apr 20, 2015
If he is getting around 25% passing keys i'd say so. But there is really no way to know who is passing and who failing. The more failing keys submitted the more the results will be corrupt.
GDASSCLUB said
Apr 20, 2015
Having trouble input answers on my android phone/ iPad.? Any suggestions?
Junius78 said
Apr 20, 2015
GDASSCLUB wrote:
Having trouble input answers on my android phone/ iPad.? Any suggestions?
Try using the Numbers app which i believe is already installed in one of latest versions of Ios. Choose to open the spreadsheet in that app
bigfoot45 said
Apr 20, 2015
IM at a 67
bigfoot45 said
Apr 20, 2015
I dropped 33. What would my score be in theory for you math wizards?
Junius78 said
Apr 20, 2015
bigfoot45 wrote:
I dropped 33. What would my score be in theory for you math wizards?
Did you input it in spreadsheet?
robbob357 said
Apr 20, 2015
60 so far. Gotta hope for the best.
bigfoot45 said
Apr 20, 2015
So i plugged all my answers in. My potential score is exactly a 70.... shaking my head.
Junius78 said
Apr 20, 2015
bigfoot45 wrote:
So i plugged all my answers in. My potential score is exactly a 70.... shaking my head.
That is not at all how the equation works. It already factors in the 20 research questions and gives you an assumed amount of "maybes". The only thing it can't determine are throwouts, but other than that, the accuracy is fairly good.
Yes, that does factor in research questions. 70 is your probable score.
Hey guys, like everyone else that took the Lt's test I am so bummed out. I am sorry for all of you that are feeling this way because you all deserve better than this. I studied for 7 months straight and I thought I had it. After inputting my answers into Gamblor's spreadsheet, I scored a 64. Do I stand a chance With an output of a 64?
-- Edited by EDPs R Fun on Sunday 19th of April 2015 11:56:52 PM
78 on Gamblor key
Is there an update forthcoming tonight?
Where do I send my answer key to?
I asked gamblor what my potential 70 means. It means about 95% that will be around my score minus or plus one or two points. That factors in research questions in favor
__________________
Great f-ing morale booster. That exam looked like the last sh$t I took. What kind of a scam is this. Take a step back and look at this. It's Unexplainabl. They should be embarrassed to promote off this list of lucky sgts. Nobody in the right mind could have done well in this. These tests are gonna be like fD. U have to study for years to make it.
ATTN MAC users:
Initially, I was not able to input my answers using my Macbook either.
I downloaded the document, then emailed the document to my GMAIL email account, opened the document via email, and it worked like a charm.
-- Edited by DOS_EQUIS on Monday 20th of April 2015 12:54:27 AM
ondeaire. I remember u from my Sgt. Test. People used to hate on u but u had credible info al
Sorry. Got cut off. Are u at a 64? I think the variables that are remaining can make such a big swing but gamblor said its plus or minus 4. I don't see it can be that accurat.
Maybe I'm not thinking about this correctly. This key said I got a 64. But the possibility that I am plus 20 or minus 20 is equal. So how could it be accurate to plus or minus 4.
Here is my breakdown
Update not posted yet, I'm still entering keys. Close to 80 now.
I can't account for throwouts or changes to the answer key, nor do I claim to. This key will get your score very close to what you would have with no changes to the exam. If they make 20 changes like they did in 2011, you'll do significantly better. If they only do a few, then your final score will also be close to this key.
The main point of this key to to provide a small level of comfort to those that likely passed.
Put your answers into the spreadsheet and it will tell you.
The key Gamblor creates utilizes basic principles of statistical probability. It is indeed very accurate on the whole. I don't believe Gamblor created keys for the 2011 exams. I think his first endeavor was with the 2013 SGT Exam and with the 2013 Captain and 2014 Captain exams. The 2013 SGT exam was the first exam where DCAS threw the curveball research questions in. We had 30 extra, and even with those 30 extra questions, Gamblor's key placed my likely score at an 88. When I went to the protest session, I discovered I had an 89. Gamblor's key was accurate to within 1 point, not only for myself but for the vast majority of test takers. Just reference the 2013 SGT forum and you can see for yourself. The only thing Gamblor's key does not account for is throw outs. Any throw outs are determined by the Test Validation Board. In 2011, promotional school instructors were able to sit for the exam and submit protests. This resulted in an unprecedented amount of questions being thrown out. Those who took the 2015 test will NOT have the advantage of having the promotional exam instructors advocate for them at the protest, as a consequence, there will likely be far FEWER throw outs this time around.
Has anyone heard from any of the schools or are they maintaining radio silence?
Sitting on a 69%
It might have worked with the Sgts test when you were getting more than at 4% pass rate. Bad data = Bad results.
I think Gamblor's answer key is pretty accurate. We will see the results May 18th (5th Monday)
Try using the Numbers app which i believe is already installed in one of latest versions of Ios. Choose to open the spreadsheet in that app
IM at a 67
I dropped 33. What would my score be in theory for you math wizards?
Did you input it in spreadsheet?
So i plugged all my answers in. My potential score is exactly a 70.... shaking my head.
Im in exact same boat