If you get a chance, the #s for sgts & capts would be greatly appreciated.
Like I said dont remember the exact number but for Sgts it was a big number too, around 100.
Rubirosa said
Jan 8, 2024
Rugz wrote:
If you get a chance, the #s for sgts & capts would be greatly appreciated.
Like I said dont remember the exact number but for Sgts it was a big number too, around 100. If I get the exact number I will post it.
No1isbetter said
Jan 8, 2024
Rs4u wrote:
No shot 450 LT promoted in this first year or yearly rate. The list would be finished in 3 years
400 is a real good shot & as I explained earlier, 200-225 are going in first 3 classes. Itll slow down for sure but to hit 400-450 in year 1 isnt impossile but that being said, expect 200-250 for the next 3 years.
Spanish mama said
Jan 8, 2024
Those are bald claims No1isbetter.
No1isbetter said
Jan 8, 2024
Well whats guaranteed is first 2 are 75 & 75. So well be at 150. 250 divided by the rest of the 10 months isnt too far fetched. 350 would be a great start to 2024. 300 is the average which kills the list in 4 years.
Futureauxiliary said
Jan 9, 2024
When is the retro dropping for current Lts. That should help with a spike in more retirements, last I heard there is about 500 Lts with 20+ years eligible to retire. Can anyone with that info actually confirm the 500+ eligible for retirement ?
SBA MIA said
Jan 9, 2024
Closer to 600 last time I checked nypd360
Spanish mama said
Jan 9, 2024
Theres retro? Did Lts officially settled the contract?
12345678 said
Jan 9, 2024
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When is the retro dropping for current Lts. That should help with a spike in more retirements, last I heard there is about 500 Lts with 20+ years eligible to retire. Can anyone with that info actually confirm the 500+ eligible for retirement ?
Lt retro 2/16 and a 3.5% raise on 3/16. Starting Lt as of 3/16 is $135,595
Spanish mama said
Jan 9, 2024
What schedule did they accept? Tours,RDOs
Futureauxiliary said
Jan 9, 2024
Spanish mama wrote:
What schedule did they accept? Tours,RDOs
If I am not mistaken they agreed to the 12hr tours. Can anyone with the exact info post the updated tours and paycharts, thanks.
-- Edited by Futureauxiliary on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:47:45 AM
Spanish mama said
Jan 9, 2024
Futureauxiliary wrote:
Spanish mama wrote:
What schedule did they accept? Tours,RDOs
If I am not mistaken they agreed to the 12hr tours. Can anyone with the exact info post the updated tours and paycharts, thanks.
-- Edited by Futureauxiliary on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:47:45 AM
This was posted by another member here months ago. Not sure if any of this is accurate
-- Edited by Spanish mama on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 04:04:58 AM
The number is 628. With retirement time as of right now. Thats about 40% of the rank.
-- Edited by TenFour16 on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 10:38:45 AM
nycop80 said
Jan 9, 2024
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.
Spanish mama said
Jan 9, 2024
nycop80 wrote:
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.
so this is not a pilot anymore? Im also hearing some people are doing 10 something tours. Any union guys here?
rookiebit_h said
Jan 9, 2024
12345678 wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When is the retro dropping for current Lts. That should help with a spike in more retirements, last I heard there is about 500 Lts with 20+ years eligible to retire. Can anyone with that info actually confirm the 500+ eligible for retirement ?
Lt retro 2/16 and a 3.5% raise on 3/16. Starting Lt as of 3/16 is $135,595
retro on 2/2
Ticonderoga said
Jan 9, 2024
nycop80 wrote:
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.
What happens with your accrued vacation days if you become a 12 hour/ 10 hour tour LT?? Do they convert it over to be less days accordingly ?
Or is it like the admin PO 8:23 scenario getting promoted to SGT and now his vacation days are worth 8:57 ???
NauseousPBBN said
Jan 9, 2024
Supposedly they are going to switch to hours and not days for the 12 hour program once implemented
Bklynsouth3020 said
Jan 9, 2024
Spanish mama wrote:
nycop80 wrote:
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.
so this is not a pilot anymore? Im also hearing some people are doing 10 something tours. Any union guys here?
As of right now its a pilot program. But for it to be implemented fully city wide they need the Unions on board. 12 hour tours is for patrol. 10 hour tours is for special ops
fodx said
Jan 9, 2024
And those hours wont be going up because you'll now get NO CHART DAYS. What a sham.
Futureauxiliary said
Jan 9, 2024
12:33hrs on patrol sounds a little brutal.
Spanish mama said
Jan 9, 2024
Futureauxiliary wrote:
12:33hrs on patrol sounds a little brutal.
PBA was crying for it. Now they got it. now we got it, but never asked for it. I personally do not want to spend a single minute over 9 hours in moldy department buildings.
-- Edited by Spanish mama on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:09:15 PM
12345678 said
Jan 9, 2024
Futureauxiliary wrote:
12:33hrs on patrol sounds a little brutal.
Its 79 more RDOs a year. Thats like 2.5 months off
-- Edited by 12345678 on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 05:03:07 PM
Spanish mama said
Jan 9, 2024
Oh btw, its admin uniform in bmoc. No more suits. Whoever is in first class, start getting your stuff together
Futureauxiliary said
Jan 9, 2024
These numbers are mere estimates but take a look at this,
-Current Capt List has = 370 remaining
- Lts with 20+yrs eligible to retire = 628
- Current Lt vacancies = 200 approximately
Totaling = 1,198 which is this entire list in 4 years. The Dept knows exactly what they are doing.
SBA MIA said
Jan 9, 2024
Thats not even including the hundreds that have 17-19 in both the LT and Capt ranks that will be eligible to retire
Nyc5000 said
Jan 9, 2024
How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb
12345678 said
Jan 10, 2024
Nyc5000 wrote:
How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb
You either have steady Sunday Monday Tuesday with rotating Wednesdays off
or steady Thursday Friday Saturday with rotating Wednesdays
4 on, 3 off
3 on, 4 off
so
week 1
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday wednesday
RDO Thursday Friday Saturday
week 2
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday
rdo Wednesday thursday Friday Saturday
I think thats only for platoon commanders on patrol transit and housing
Spanish mama said
Jan 10, 2024
12345678 wrote:
Nyc5000 wrote:
How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb
You either have steady Sunday Monday Tuesday with rotating Wednesdays off
or steady Thursday Friday Saturday with rotating Wednesdays
4 on, 3 off
3 on, 4 off
so
week 1
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday wednesday
RDO Thursday Friday Saturday
week 2
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday
rdo Wednesday thursday Friday Saturday
I think thats only for platoon commanders on patrol transit and housing
so the chart is misleading. it separates plt commanders in to day and night, but they have same rdo's. Who's working the rdos? chart only shows night tour and day tour.
TenFour16 said
Jan 10, 2024
Futureauxiliary wrote:
These numbers are mere estimates but take a look at this,
-Current Capt List has = 370 remaining - Lts with 20+yrs eligible to retire = 628 - Current Lt vacancies = 200 approximately
Totaling = 1,198 which is this entire list in 4 years. The Dept knows exactly what they are doing.
Missing a key point here. Those numbers surely make all the sense. But of course, not all of the 628 will retire.
The kicker lies in the amount of Lts that WILL REACH retirement eligibity in the coming 4 year life span of the list, to add to that 1198. That number that will be eligible in the coming years is well over 500.
So yes. For all the naysayers, the people who the department have doing projections and math, are absolutely spot on.
My prediction. List is finished in less then 4 years. Last 300 get rushed in for a Captains test, and a Lt exam wont be given for a little while after that.
TenFour16 said
Jan 10, 2024
Futureauxiliary wrote:
These numbers are mere estimates but take a look at this,
-Current Capt List has = 370 remaining - Lts with 20+yrs eligible to retire = 628 - Current Lt vacancies = 200 approximately
Totaling = 1,198 which is this entire list in 4 years. The Dept knows exactly what they are doing.
Another key point just so you get the numbers right. You cant add the 628 retirement eligibility to the 370 captains. Because a chunk of that 370, are also currently eligible for retirement. Guys are going to take the promo to captain and not retire for a while that have over 20.
but all in all. The numbers are there regardless.
TenFour16 said
Jan 10, 2024
The math has been broken down thoroughly and carefully. In the next 4 years, almost 1700 vacancies in the rank of Lt can open mathematically. Key word being mathematically. Combination of Captains promos and retirement. Assuming all Lts eligible retire and all Captains make it of course. Of course the rate wont be 100%. But its still a high potential number.
This is NOT accounting current Sgts, who will take the rank, be on patrol for a bit, hate it and then retire and BELIEVE ME it does happen.
Nyc5000 said
Jan 10, 2024
Mathematically every Lt on the job can decide to turn down promotion to captain and decide not to retire as well
A10shun said
Jan 10, 2024
Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?
Truthseeker said
Jan 10, 2024
Im told only 100 cleared w 75 being approved for promotion as of now
12345678 said
Jan 10, 2024
Spanish mama wrote:
12345678 wrote:
Nyc5000 wrote:
How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb
You either have steady Sunday Monday Tuesday with rotating Wednesdays off
or steady Thursday Friday Saturday with rotating Wednesdays
4 on, 3 off
3 on, 4 off
so
week 1
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday wednesday
RDO Thursday Friday Saturday
week 2
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday
rdo Wednesday thursday Friday Saturday
I think thats only for platoon commanders on patrol transit and housing
so the chart is misleading. it separates plt commanders in to day and night, but they have same rdo's. Who's working the rdos? chart only shows night tour and day tour.
its constructed to work with 4 platoon commanders 2 day and 2 night. With opposite RDOs (either Sunday Monday Tuesday Or thursday Friday Saturday and you rotated the Wednesday). there are talks between union and city about upping the allotment of LTs to make this work but it wont be real until after pilot programs are over and if they decided to implement the tours citywide
Spanish mama said
Jan 10, 2024
A10shun wrote:
Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?
Depends on the source. Thats a big number though.
wereinbacklog said
Jan 10, 2024
Spanish mama wrote:
A10shun wrote:
Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?
Depends on the source. Thats a big number though.
100 was the number I was told
Nyc5000 said
Jan 10, 2024
I still heard 75
Futureauxiliary said
Jan 10, 2024
These are all great numbers, 100 would be amazing !
KeyCapt said
Jan 10, 2024
As of this morning 1/10/24, 75 Lt's and Investigators. No other ranks confirmed YET!
Tunit said
Jan 10, 2024
KeyCapt wrote:
As of this morning 1/10/24, 75 Lt's and Investigators. No other ranks confirmed YET!
#BESTINTHEBUSINESS - i gotchu cap
Spanish mama said
Jan 10, 2024
wereinbacklog wrote:
Spanish mama wrote:
A10shun wrote:
Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?
Depends on the source. Thats a big number though.
100 was the number I was told
100 cleared or slotted for bmoc?
fodx said
Jan 10, 2024
There was a 100 LT class about a year and a half ago, so its happened before.
-- Edited by fodx on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 05:38:55 PM
RachDawg said
Jan 10, 2024
They usually clear more than they are putting in, so clearing 100 to get 75 makes sense
Truthseeker said
Jan 10, 2024
Exactly wat I posted but what do I know
Lucas Hobbs said
Jan 10, 2024
Can anyone advise the dates of the new LT contract? I believe last one ended February of 2022.
22andOut said
Jan 10, 2024
Lucas Hobbs wrote:
Can anyone advise the dates of the new LT contract? I believe last one ended February of 2022.
Feb 16, 2022 - April 15 2027
VetteCop said
Jan 10, 2024
Truthseeker wrote:
Exactly wat I posted but what do I know
i see you truthseeker, and i appreciate you
Raymond Reddington said
Jan 10, 2024
VetteCop wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
Exactly wat I posted but what do I know
i see you truthseeker, and i appreciate you
I dont like this truthseeker, this person said the list would drop on Dec 16 but it did not.
Like I said dont remember the exact number but for Sgts it was a big number too, around 100.
Like I said dont remember the exact number but for Sgts it was a big number too, around 100. If I get the exact number I will post it.
400 is a real good shot & as I explained earlier, 200-225 are going in first 3 classes. Itll slow down for sure but to hit 400-450 in year 1 isnt impossile but that being said, expect 200-250 for the next 3 years.
Lt retro 2/16 and a 3.5% raise on 3/16. Starting Lt as of 3/16 is $135,595
If I am not mistaken they agreed to the 12hr tours. Can anyone with the exact info post the updated tours and paycharts, thanks.
-- Edited by Futureauxiliary on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:47:45 AM
This was posted by another member here months ago. Not sure if any of this is accurate
-- Edited by Spanish mama on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 04:04:58 AM
The number is 628. With retirement time as of right now. Thats about 40% of the rank.
-- Edited by TenFour16 on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 10:38:45 AM
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.
retro on 2/2
What happens with your accrued vacation days if you become a 12 hour/ 10 hour tour LT?? Do they convert it over to be less days accordingly ?
Or is it like the admin PO 8:23 scenario getting promoted to SGT and now his vacation days are worth 8:57 ???
As of right now its a pilot program. But for it to be implemented fully city wide they need the Unions on board. 12 hour tours is for patrol. 10 hour tours is for special ops
PBA was crying for it. Now they got it. now we got it, but never asked for it. I personally do not want to spend a single minute over 9 hours in moldy department buildings.
-- Edited by Spanish mama on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:09:15 PM
Its 79 more RDOs a year. Thats like 2.5 months off
-- Edited by 12345678 on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 05:03:07 PM
-Current Capt List has = 370 remaining
- Lts with 20+yrs eligible to retire = 628
- Current Lt vacancies = 200 approximately
Totaling = 1,198 which is this entire list in 4 years. The Dept knows exactly what they are doing.
You either have steady Sunday Monday Tuesday with rotating Wednesdays off
or steady Thursday Friday Saturday with rotating Wednesdays
4 on, 3 off
3 on, 4 off
so
week 1
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday wednesday
RDO Thursday Friday Saturday
week 2
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday
rdo Wednesday thursday Friday Saturday
I think thats only for platoon commanders on patrol transit and housing
so the chart is misleading. it separates plt commanders in to day and night, but they have same rdo's. Who's working the rdos? chart only shows night tour and day tour.
Missing a key point here. Those numbers surely make all the sense. But of course, not all of the 628 will retire.
The kicker lies in the amount of Lts that WILL REACH retirement eligibity in the coming 4 year life span of the list, to add to that 1198. That number that will be eligible in the coming years is well over 500.
So yes. For all the naysayers, the people who the department have doing projections and math, are absolutely spot on.
My prediction. List is finished in less then 4 years. Last 300 get rushed in for a Captains test, and a Lt exam wont be given for a little while after that.
Another key point just so you get the numbers right. You cant add the 628 retirement eligibility to the 370 captains. Because a chunk of that 370, are also currently eligible for retirement. Guys are going to take the promo to captain and not retire for a while that have over 20.
but all in all. The numbers are there regardless.
This is NOT accounting current Sgts, who will take the rank, be on patrol for a bit, hate it and then retire and BELIEVE ME it does happen.
its constructed to work with 4 platoon commanders 2 day and 2 night. With opposite RDOs (either Sunday Monday Tuesday Or thursday Friday Saturday and you rotated the Wednesday). there are talks between union and city about upping the allotment of LTs to make this work but it wont be real until after pilot programs are over and if they decided to implement the tours citywide
Depends on the source. Thats a big number though.
100 was the number I was told
#BESTINTHEBUSINESS - i gotchu cap
100 cleared or slotted for bmoc?
There was a 100 LT class about a year and a half ago, so its happened before.
-- Edited by fodx on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 05:38:55 PM
Feb 16, 2022 - April 15 2027
i see you truthseeker, and i appreciate you
I dont like this truthseeker, this person said the list would drop on Dec 16 but it did not.