has the captain rank always been undesirable or questionable ?
of course if you are a LT with the money then I get it or if you are close to retirement, but Has the captain rank always been like this or was there a year in which the contract or role got changed drastically?
The captains I know all tell me that they love their gig.
Yep. Dont get fooled. Captain rank is the BEST rank! Period !
Doctor, hows it the best rank when youve never experienced it?
SMFH,.
HopeBoss said
Dec 21, 2022
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
DRPapi1983 said
Dec 21, 2022
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
With time rank gets better. Trust me.
Doggieloverwoof said
Dec 21, 2022
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
HopeBoss said
Dec 21, 2022
Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
Why only the first year ? Do they gain seniority quickly or something ?
wereinbacklog said
Dec 21, 2022
HopeBoss wrote:
Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
Why only the first year ? Do they gain seniority quickly or something ?
9 hr tours first year
fiftyfouredp said
Dec 31, 2022
Does unpaid leave (like childcare) you buy back count towards the time in rank needed to be eligible for promotion?
Caballo Loco said
Dec 31, 2022
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
They say the best rank or title on any job is the one you currently have , there are always good things and bad things when taking on a new role or title . As far as the pension goes , well we live in a society were everyone is always concerned about making the most pension while forgetting to live your life while you are young and strong. If you can enjoy life more now while getting a decent pension at the end then maybe staying in rank will be the better option .
-- Edited by Caballo Loco on Saturday 31st of December 2022 01:43:22 PM
Bill Parcells said
Dec 31, 2022
Caballo Loco wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
They say the best rank or title on any job is the one you currently have , there are always good things and bad things when taking on a new role or title . As far as the pension goes , well we live in a society were everyone is always concerned about making the most pension while forgetting to live your life while you are young and strong. If you can enjoy life more now while getting a decent pension at the end then maybe staying in rank will be the better option .
-- Edited by Caballo Loco on Saturday 31st of December 2022 01:43:22 PM
Respect the guidelines
Jibberjab said
Dec 31, 2022
If you have a gig, in line for lsa, make your own schedule, have a family where kids are doing multiple after school activities and you want to be at every one of them I doubt promotion makes sense. Ive seen people go the self demotion route. Could always test the waters and see how it goes. But is there a time frame you have to do that in? Or if 2 years after being promoted you are like this is an absolute garbage rank and is only getting worse, can you self demote?
soccerpsyco32 said
Jan 10, 2023
Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
This is becoming less and less applicable as Tier 3 MOS start to become the majority on this job. Tier 3 people dont have a last 12 month FAS. They have a choice between best 3 consecutive calendar years (they choose) or last 36 months. Thats it. Which means if you have a tier 3 LT whos at top pay, they can lock in 3 good years and run as much time at the end without messing up their pension. Would make no sense for a LT in that scenario to promote, take a pay cut, work longer for free, and take daily poundings from whatever egomaniacal boro executive they happen to fall under.
Jibberjab said
Jan 10, 2023
soccerpsyco32 wrote:
Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
This is becoming less and less applicable as Tier 3 MOS start to become the majority on this job. Tier 3 people dont have a last 12 month FAS. They have a choice between best 3 consecutive calendar years (they choose) or last 36 months. Thats it. Which means if you have a tier 3 LT whos at top pay, they can lock in 3 good years and run as much time at the end without messing up their pension. Would make no sense for a LT in that scenario to promote, take a pay cut, work longer for free, and take daily poundings from whatever egomaniacal boro executive they happen to fall under.
Even with tier 3 guys they have to bust their ass for 3 consecutive years with overtime to get a good fas, even more reason to be a captain and walk in the door making 200k. Not to mention if any passed this time around they will be in rank for most likely 10 years and retire with inspectors pension.
DRPapi1983 said
Jan 10, 2023
Jibberjab wrote:
If you have a gig, in line for lsa, make your own schedule, have a family where kids are doing multiple after school activities and you want to be at every one of them I doubt promotion makes sense. Ive seen people go the self demotion route. Could always test the waters and see how it goes. But is there a time frame you have to do that in? Or if 2 years after being promoted you are like this is an absolute garbage rank and is only getting worse, can you self demote?
You can go back to LT during your probationary period. After you become permanent in rank, you cant go back (to LT). Not many people go back (if ever). Every rank has its perks (no more memo books, OT, take home car, etc.). To me, Lieutenant is the best rank on this job. But the job is changing fast. Ill let you guys tell it ,is it really the best rank ??????
Jibberjab said
Jan 10, 2023
With all these man power issues LT is just a glorified sgt right now. At least where I work its always 1 sgt and 1 LT so you are constantly running around whenever you arent on the desk.
DetailBoss said
Nov 29, 2023
Is the rank still worth taking? How are the captains being treated these days?
HopeBoss said
Nov 29, 2023
DetailBoss wrote:
Is the rank still worth taking? How are the captains being treated these days?
All the ones i know are stressed and overworked with the duty and details.
Jibberjab said
Nov 30, 2023
The fact that they have all these mobile field forces are messing up schedules and days off.
brooklynbacon said
Dec 2, 2023
DetailBoss wrote:
Is the rank still worth taking? How are the captains being treated these days?
It depends on your goals and aspirations. It also depends on how you want your personal life and family life to be.
Like poop and i dont see this changing with how short the department is.
-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Monday 4th of December 2023 11:35:17 AM
-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Monday 4th of December 2023 11:36:42 AM
Ticonderoga said
Dec 14, 2023
Jibberjab wrote:
The fact that they have all these mobile field forces are messing up schedules and days off.
That's every rank though. Everyone's schedules and days off are being completely screwed up.
DRPapi1983 said
Dec 18, 2023
Dont have to chase the overtime anymore.
25isthenew20 said
Jan 10, 2024
DRPapi1983 wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
With time rank gets better. Trust me.
Debatable, I think you just get used to the abuse its the perfect rank if youre single or married and looking to get divorced! The first 6 months to a year are the roughest because you are essentially a rookie sergeant all over again.
Wooly said
Jan 14, 2024
If someone decides to go back to LT as a probation Capt, would they go back to thier detail?? Cause Capt IA way better than patrol LT
Truthseeker said
Jan 14, 2024
What i am about to say is a general statement. Everyones situation is different. But MOST ppl who are miserable in the rank are so bc of their own actions. They cant accept leaving the GAME and going to a dead end detail which gives u as good of a life as any rank can. You cant complain remaining an xo and having no life and staying on patrol bc you want a command. Or taking a command and complaining about the work or not being promoted. Welcome to the game!
Bklynsouth3020 said
Jan 14, 2024
Truthseeker wrote:
What i am about to say is a general statement. Everyones situation is different. But MOST ppl who are miserable in the rank are so bc of their own actions. They cant accept leaving the GAME and going to a dead end detail which gives u as good of a life as any rank can. You cant complain remaining an xo and having no life and staying on patrol bc you want a command. Or taking a command and complaining about the work or not being promoted. Welcome to the game!
Most borough commanders ask their new captains, do you want to play a game ?
brooklynbacon said
Jan 21, 2024
HopeBoss wrote:
Most borough commanders ask their new captains, do you want to play a game ?
And you say yes unless you want steady midnights and mobile field forces every day.
Nypdnypd3100 said
Jan 21, 2024
Steady midnights and mobile field force actually sounds awesome.
PD2FD said
Jan 21, 2024
Nypdnypd3100 wrote:
Steady midnights and mobile field force actually sounds awesome.
Seriously! I'll do 5 years as a Captain doing Mobile Field Forces. Those details are a joke!
Leslie said
Jan 25, 2024
Lately you dont have much of a choice, they force you to play the game if youre on patrol.
Bill Parcells said
Jan 25, 2024
Leslie wrote:
Lately you dont have much of a choice, they force you to play the game if youre on patrol.
Too pay everything included 200k plus to walk in the door. We'll all be fine
HopeBoss said
Jan 25, 2024
I thought when yall go to a borough the chief sits down with you and asks where you want your career to go? Did anyone say chief ?
Ticonderoga said
Jan 25, 2024
PD2FD wrote:
Nypdnypd3100 wrote:
Steady midnights and mobile field force actually sounds awesome.
Seriously! I'll do 5 years as a Captain doing Mobile Field Forces. Those details are a joke!
I dont think its the detail itself per say, its constantly getting notified to do different tours and report to different areas, when you could just be sitting in your office....
Bill Parcells said
Jan 25, 2024
HopeBoss wrote:
I thought when yall go to a borough the chief sits down with you and asks where you want your career to go? Did anyone say chief ?
Not anymore. Not enough captains. Everyone has to go to commands.
Futureauxiliary said
Jan 25, 2024
When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?
PD2FD said
Jan 26, 2024
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?
You could go straight to a unit if you have the right hook.
Tunit said
Jan 26, 2024
PD2FD wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?
You could go straight to a unit if you have the right hook.
This is correct.
Truthseeker said
Jan 26, 2024
The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.
HopeBoss said
Jan 28, 2024
PD2FD wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?
You could go straight to a unit if you have the right hook.
You can but more than likely you wont see anything above Capt. Unless, youre boys with the right people
Leslie said
Jan 30, 2024
Truthseeker wrote:
The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.
You can get retained if youre in a spot that can justify having to retain you. Other than that you need a huge crane to get out especially if you go to psb. Hint hint go to hsg or tb.. however XO hrs suck worse while in Hsg and TB. Goodluck
HopeBoss said
Jan 30, 2024
Leslie wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.
You can get retained if youre in a spot that can justify having to retain you. Other than that you need a huge crane to get out especially if you go to psb. Hint hint go to hsg or tb.. however XO hrs suck worse while in Hsg and TB. Goodluck
Plus you get the duty a lot more often if you go to housing or transit
RookieScum4Life said
Feb 1, 2024
HopeBoss wrote:
Leslie wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.
You can get retained if youre in a spot that can justify having to retain you. Other than that you need a huge crane to get out especially if you go to psb. Hint hint go to hsg or tb.. however XO hrs suck worse while in Hsg and TB. Goodluck
Plus you get the duty a lot more often if you go to housing or transit
Non-PSB command executives do 2 (or 3) duties a month depending on which boro you do them in.
Transit has its own Duty Captain from Transit on every tour daily, but it's nothing compared to patrol duty.
-- Edited by RookieScum4Life on Thursday 1st of February 2024 05:04:50 AM
HopeBoss said
Feb 6, 2024
Whats a top pay Capt make now a days ?
Truthseeker said
Feb 6, 2024
About 210k without night diff
HopeBoss said
Feb 6, 2024
Truthseeker wrote:
About 210k without night diff
I saw a 236k number thrown around is that with night diff
Truthseeker said
Feb 6, 2024
Prob at end of contract. I went off of todays numbers without 20 years on and no night diff
brooklynbacon said
Feb 6, 2024
HopeBoss wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
About 210k without night diff
I saw a 236k number thrown around is that with night diff
End of contract in 2026 its 234k walking in the door at top pay with no night diff.
Truthseeker said
Feb 6, 2024
Its 232 actually but thats with 20 year longevity and 25 years otj which accounts for over 3k
HopeBoss said
Feb 12, 2024
Is it true its frowned upon when captains and above take all their vacation days in a year ?
Truthseeker said
Feb 12, 2024
If you need to ask if something is frowned upon as an executive, just know that its frowned upon. Unless youre an anointed one then you can pretty much do anything and get away w anything. For everyone else its a career stopper. Welcome to the game
wereinbacklog said
Feb 12, 2024
HopeBoss wrote:
Is it true its frowned upon when captains and above take all their vacation days in a year ?
Lol not at all but it depends on position. A CO of a command is expected to be in on certain holidays so normally you don't take vacation around them.
SMFH,.
With time rank gets better. Trust me.
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
Why only the first year ? Do they gain seniority quickly or something ?
9 hr tours first year
They say the best rank or title on any job is the one you currently have , there are always good things and bad things when taking on a new role or title .
As far as the pension goes , well we live in a society were everyone is always concerned about making the most pension while forgetting to live your life while you are young and strong. If you can enjoy life more now while getting a decent pension at the end then maybe staying in rank will be the better option .
-- Edited by Caballo Loco on Saturday 31st of December 2022 01:43:22 PM
Respect the guidelines
This is becoming less and less applicable as Tier 3 MOS start to become the majority on this job. Tier 3 people dont have a last 12 month FAS. They have a choice between best 3 consecutive calendar years (they choose) or last 36 months. Thats it. Which means if you have a tier 3 LT whos at top pay, they can lock in 3 good years and run as much time at the end without messing up their pension. Would make no sense for a LT in that scenario to promote, take a pay cut, work longer for free, and take daily poundings from whatever egomaniacal boro executive they happen to fall under.
Even with tier 3 guys they have to bust their ass for 3 consecutive years with overtime to get a good fas, even more reason to be a captain and walk in the door making 200k. Not to mention if any passed this time around they will be in rank for most likely 10 years and retire with inspectors pension.
You can go back to LT during your probationary period. After you become permanent in rank, you cant go back (to LT). Not many people go back (if ever). Every rank has its perks (no more memo books, OT, take home car, etc.). To me, Lieutenant is the best rank on this job. But the job is changing fast. Ill let you guys tell it ,is it really the best rank ??????
All the ones i know are stressed and overworked with the duty and details.
It depends on your goals and aspirations. It also depends on how you want your personal life and family life to be.
Like poop and i dont see this changing with how short the department is.
-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Monday 4th of December 2023 11:35:17 AM
-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Monday 4th of December 2023 11:36:42 AM
That's every rank though. Everyone's schedules and days off are being completely screwed up.
Debatable, I think you just get used to the abuse its the perfect rank if youre single or married and looking to get divorced! The first 6 months to a year are the roughest because you are essentially a rookie sergeant all over again.
If someone decides to go back to LT as a probation Capt, would they go back to thier detail?? Cause Capt IA way better than patrol LT
And you say yes unless you want steady midnights and mobile field forces every day.
Seriously! I'll do 5 years as a Captain doing Mobile Field Forces. Those details are a joke!
Too pay everything included 200k plus to walk in the door. We'll all be fine
I dont think its the detail itself per say, its constantly getting notified to do different tours and report to different areas, when you could just be sitting in your office....
Not anymore. Not enough captains. Everyone has to go to commands.
You could go straight to a unit if you have the right hook.
This is correct.
You can but more than likely you wont see anything above Capt. Unless, youre boys with the right people
You can get retained if youre in a spot that can justify having to retain you. Other than that you need a huge crane to get out especially if you go to psb. Hint hint go to hsg or tb.. however XO hrs suck worse while in Hsg and TB. Goodluck
Plus you get the duty a lot more often if you go to housing or transit
Non-PSB command executives do 2 (or 3) duties a month depending on which boro you do them in.
Transit has its own Duty Captain from Transit on every tour daily, but it's nothing compared to patrol duty.
-- Edited by RookieScum4Life on Thursday 1st of February 2024 05:04:50 AM
I saw a 236k number thrown around is that with night diff
End of contract in 2026 its 234k walking in the door at top pay with no night diff.
Lol not at all but it depends on position. A CO of a command is expected to be in on certain holidays so normally you don't take vacation around them.