not true at all...before this key came out i pegged myself at a 76....i had 24 wrong as per gamblors key. I identified 8 different from that key...that i knew were right that gamblor had wrong. My score didnt move those bc i had 4 wrong that were right, and 4 right that were wrong. So my score increased bc i got more research to go my way...most of them coming from ops orders which bumped me up
scheduleB_magnet said
May 25, 2015
sgt2be wrote:
not true at all...before this key came out i pegged myself at a 76....i had 24 wrong as per gamblors key. I identified 8 different from that key...that i knew were right that gamblor had wrong. My score didnt move those bc i had 4 wrong that were right, and 4 right that were wrong. So my score increased bc i got more research to go my way...most of them coming from ops orders which bumped me up
scheduleB_magnet said
May 25, 2015
In all seriousness, I know sgt2be. He knows his **** down cold. So there was no luck in him passing. Me on the other hand, I worked very hard to pass this exam, just as hard as others who have failed or are on the fence. Even though I did somewhat well, even with all the hard work, I will be the first to admit luck was on my side. A lot of research questions are ones I know for a fact I got wrong, and I was lucky enough to have that fall in my favor. The opposite could've easily happened to me, so for that I am blessed to have the opportunity to obtain the next rank and advance my career surviving this abortion of an exam. Almost every free moment I had was spent reading something straight from the patrol guide. I didn't use Yano's packets until about a week before the test when I was at my kids bedside at a hospital where she laid for almost a week with a bad kidney infection.
And for the record, I am and have been patrol my entire career, including as a sergeant, so stop with the "everyone who passed is at 1PP or IAB" generalization. I take pride in the amount of effort I put in while still being on the street, so hard work definitely played a part.
-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Monday 25th of May 2015 08:50:54 PM
70please said
May 25, 2015
I passed by hammering yanosiks crossword puzzles ... If you didn't take the time to fill in the blanks on yanosiks packets then that's on you !!!
No but seriously i knew these instructors were full of **** ... If the key and elite said " hey just crush the guide" we wouldn't bother buying their scam
Took 2 tests , passed 2 Haven't attended a class yet
scheduleB_magnet said
May 25, 2015
70please wrote:
I passed by hammering yanosiks crossword puzzles ... If you didn't take the time to fill in the blanks on yanosiks packets then that's on you !!!
No but seriously i knew these instructors were full of **** ... If the key and elite said " hey just crush the guide" we wouldn't bother buying their scam
Took 2 tests , passed 2 Haven't attended a class yet
I need the structure, that the classes provide. Took the key for SGT, Elite for LT, passed both. I don't trust myself to try to develop a plan of attack on studying that book on my own. More power to you, that actually very impressive. For me the courses helped me stay the course, stay focused, stay motivated.
70please said
May 25, 2015
To further clarify I took elite but read the packets only on days I didn't feel like studying or was hungover ... I crushed the patrol guide I felt like the packets left too much testable info out ... Never went to a class because I felt they just read the packet out loud ... Believe the way to go is for a group of guys to all pinch in and make copies of stuff ... **** these instructors they made millions off of us on a test with a 95 percent failure rate ... That means we obviously weren't prepared .. I passed cause I read the guide like a Edp
sgt2be said
May 25, 2015
scheduleB_magnet wrote:
In all seriousness, I know sgt2be. He knows his **** down cold. So there was no luck in him passing. Me on the other hand, I worked very hard to pass this exam, just as hard as others who have failed or are on the fence. Even though I did somewhat well, even with all the hard work, I will be the first to admit luck was on my side. A lot of research questions are ones I know for a fact I got wrong, and I was lucky enough to have that fall in my favor. The opposite could've easily happened to me, so for that I am blessed to have the opportunity to obtain the next rank and advance my career surviving this abortion of an exam. Almost every free moment I had was spent reading something straight from the patrol guide. I didn't use Yano's packets until about a week before the test when I was at my kids bedside at a hospital where she laid for almost a week with a bad kidney infection.
And for the record, I am and have been patrol my entire career, including as a sergeant, so stop with the "everyone who passed is at 1PP or IAB" generalization. I take pride in the amount of effort I put in while still being on the street, so hard work definitely played a part.
-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Monday 25th of May 2015 08:50:54 PM
Bro you weren't luck....you were right up there w me and prob to a pt where you deserved to do better than me...this was not a lucky Saturday test. The one thing I'll give them credit is eliminating that variable as much as possible. I know alot of ppl when they studied and told me I'm studying to pass. It's so funny bc I'd sit there and laugh to myself. I studied for a hundred...they studied to pass. those guys all failed...and need alot if help 64's. The guys w 67s etc on here...most of you guys will end up on the passing side. Some will not..but that's the purpose of a test...some succeed and some do not
scheduleB_magnet said
May 25, 2015
sgt2be wrote:
scheduleB_magnet wrote:
In all seriousness, I know sgt2be. He knows his **** down cold. So there was no luck in him passing. Me on the other hand, I worked very hard to pass this exam, just as hard as others who have failed or are on the fence. Even though I did somewhat well, even with all the hard work, I will be the first to admit luck was on my side. A lot of research questions are ones I know for a fact I got wrong, and I was lucky enough to have that fall in my favor. The opposite could've easily happened to me, so for that I am blessed to have the opportunity to obtain the next rank and advance my career surviving this abortion of an exam. Almost every free moment I had was spent reading something straight from the patrol guide. I didn't use Yano's packets until about a week before the test when I was at my kids bedside at a hospital where she laid for almost a week with a bad kidney infection.
And for the record, I am and have been patrol my entire career, including as a sergeant, so stop with the "everyone who passed is at 1PP or IAB" generalization. I take pride in the amount of effort I put in while still being on the street, so hard work definitely played a part.
-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Monday 25th of May 2015 08:50:54 PM
Bro you weren't luck....you were right up there w me and prob to a pt where you deserved to do better than me...this was not a lucky Saturday test. The one thing I'll give them credit is eliminating that variable as much as possible. I know alot of ppl when they studied and told me I'm studying to pass. It's so funny bc I'd sit there and laugh to myself. I studied for a hundred...they studied to pass. those guys all failed...and need alot if help 64's. The guys w 67s etc on here...most of you guys will end up on the passing side. Some will not..but that's the purpose of a test...some succeed and some do not
I definitely studied to ace the test and be in the first class and I think that made a difference. Had I studied just to pass or be on the list, I'd probably be in the same predicament as most find themselves now, in my personal opinion.
sixmonthwonder said
May 25, 2015
Everyone I know who passed was studying extremely hard, not just studying to pass. Most of them were some of the top scores of the 2011 sergeant test. Anyone who didn't put everything into it was dead as soon as they opened the booklet on this one. A few people that studied very hard and deserved to pass didn't, and hopefully they'll grab a few points on the protest, but anyone who didn't study like a maniac had no shot to begin with.
scheduleB_magnet said
May 25, 2015
sixmonthwonder wrote:
Everyone I know who passed was studying extremely hard, not just studying to pass. Most of them were some of the top scores of the 2011 sergeant test. Anyone who didn't put everything into it was dead as soon as they opened the booklet on this one. A few people that studied very hard and deserved to pass didn't, and hopefully they'll grab a few points on the protest, but anyone who didn't study like a maniac had no shot to begin with.
Agreed 110%
Su Madre 24 said
May 25, 2015
I am still not attending those abortion classes when I sign up for the 2016 Lt exam.
#disgrace
Bklyn net said
May 25, 2015
Back to question 54 lol
sgt2be said
May 25, 2015
it will stick...not enough to overturn it imho
Su Madre 24 said
May 25, 2015
I agree with sgt2be. 54 aint going anywhere. People should def refocus their efforts on questions that have a chance to have the answer amended.
-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Monday 25th of May 2015 11:25:02 PM
Bklyn net said
May 25, 2015
Ok back to question 45
Su Madre 24 said
May 25, 2015
People say it's a trowout
sgt2be said
May 26, 2015
Anyone who has d and wants to protest 54 PM me and I'll tell u wat I have been told to do for that one....idk how strong it is tho
Beuford T Justice said
May 26, 2015
I read the patrol guide in the beginning but stopped after 212 and just read packets. I attended the key the whole 6 months and did the key review and cram and the elite review and cram. I ordered the packets from rising star and printed out all the packets from the academy. In the month and a half before the test I took off 27 days. In the three weeks before the test I re-read every packet (all the schools) and did all of their questions for the first time. And then went back and figured out why I had gotten questions wrong. 6+ hours 5 days a week since January. 8-12 hours a day last three weeks.
For the 11 sergeants test I did the same thing but had read the whole patrol guide and found that everything I wanted was covered in at least one of the packets. Only read up to 212 this time.
sixmonthwonder said
May 26, 2015
Beuford T Justice wrote:
I read the patrol guide in the beginning but stopped after 212 and just read packets. I attended the key the whole 6 months and did the key review and cram and the elite review and cram. I ordered the packets from rising star and printed out all the packets from the academy. In the month and a half before the test I took off 27 days. In the three weeks before the test I re-read every packet (all the schools) and did all of their questions for the first time. And then went back and figured out why I had gotten questions wrong. 6+ hours 5 days a week since January. 8-12 hours a day last three weeks.
For the 11 sergeants test I did the same thing but had read the whole patrol guide and found that everything I wanted was covered in at least one of the packets. Only read up to 212 this time.
What did you score if you don't mind me asking?
sixmonthwonder said
May 26, 2015
Never mind, just saw on another thread. Congrats on making it.
Doggieloverwoof said
May 26, 2015
Welll at a 69, I can not deny it was luck If i make the list.... =P
Nikkydenimblue said
May 26, 2015
I studied mostly PG from 202-212, Juveniles, Accidents and Dept Property. 213,214,216,218 and 220 was just straight Elite packets. I didnt read any OO, Penal law or Crime reference guide. I read very few Legal Bereaus. I think I averaged out 6 hours study days for six months with a few days off. I studied more for our Sgts test and scored lower on it. I think its because for our Sgt's test I read the entire PG, like specialty actors and everything.( Stupid, I know). I gotta say, for the entire PG that I did read, I only read 2-5 Star procedures. The one stars I read from the academy material or the elite packets. It was a rough 6 months and I feel for everyone that studied like i did or more and didnt pass.
GDASSCLUB said
May 27, 2015
When my cops ask me how to pass a promotional my answer is don't do what I did. Reason being everybody is different and have different studying tactics. For the 2011 sgt test I crammed for 2/weeks and ended up in the low 80's. This exam I studied from day one. I didn't open the patrol guide and didn't take any time off. It worked for me. I am also very honest with myself and know my limitations and strength and weaknesses. I always loved the guy that bragged he read the guide 10 times in 3 months..most of the time that guy failed. Overall its quality studying than quantity.
DETSGT said
May 27, 2015
GDASSCLUB what did you study then? Just the packets?
GDASSCLUB said
May 27, 2015
Key packets. I felt all the pg questions on the test were covered by the key packets. There is not one procedure the test asked where it wasn't covered in the packets. I feel the key didn't do a great job this time around. Use of technology; emphasis on not covering certain materials; some of the fill in instructor. As a stated before I never wasted my time reading the guide. The key gives a reader digest version in the packets. I feel that's all you need.. Let's face it the in basket killed everybody. No class could prepare us for that.. I still think no class in the future can prepare for that..I did 4 in basket 2 weeks before exam day .. Felt like I prepared myself.
wisecop said
May 27, 2015
GDASSCLUB wrote:
Key packets. I felt all the pg questions on the test were covered by the key packets. There is not one procedure the test asked where it wasn't covered in the packets. I feel the key didn't do a great job this time around. Use of technology; emphasis on not covering certain materials; some of the fill in instructor. As a stated before I never wasted my time reading the guide. The key gives a reader digest version in the packets. I feel that's all you need.. Let's face it the in basket killed everybody. No class could prepare us for that.. I still think no class in the future can prepare for that..I did 4 in basket 2 weeks before exam day .. Felt like I prepared myself.
Are you talking about the 2015 LT test?
wisecop said
May 27, 2015
wisecop wrote:
GDASSCLUB wrote:
Key packets. I felt all the pg questions on the test were covered by the key packets. There is not one procedure the test asked where it wasn't covered in the packets. I feel the key didn't do a great job this time around. Use of technology; emphasis on not covering certain materials; some of the fill in instructor. As a stated before I never wasted my time reading the guide. The key gives a reader digest version in the packets. I feel that's all you need.. Let's face it the in basket killed everybody. No class could prepare us for that.. I still think no class in the future can prepare for that..I did 4 in basket 2 weeks before exam day .. Felt like I prepared myself.
Are you talking about the 2015 LT test?
I must have missed the operations orders class.
GDASSCLUB said
May 27, 2015
Key covered all PG questions. Didn't say ops orders. Key covered all interim orders and legal bureau that were tested
DETSGT said
May 27, 2015
GDASSCLUB you either didn't take the test or your trolling.
wisecop said
May 27, 2015
DETSGT wrote:
GDASSCLUB you either didn't take the test or your trolling.
I'm confused as you are I guess the key had all you needed to get a 70. Smh
wisecop said
May 27, 2015
GDASSCLUB wrote:
Key packets. I felt all the pg questions on the test were covered by the key packets. There is not one procedure the test asked where it wasn't covered in the packets. I feel the key didn't do a great job this time around. Use of technology; emphasis on not covering certain materials; some of the fill in instructor. As a stated before I never wasted my time reading the guide. The key gives a reader digest version in the packets. I feel that's all you need.. Let's face it the in basket killed everybody. No class could prepare us for that.. I still think no class in the future can prepare for that..I did 4 in basket 2 weeks before exam day .. Felt like I prepared myself.
Did you write some of the test questions? Because some of them were as contradictory as your post.
-- Edited by wisecop on Wednesday 27th of May 2015 03:34:49 AM
GDASSCLUB said
May 27, 2015
That's my point. The key did provide its student's with enough to pass this test. Think about it. Packets had all PG; I/O; legal; and covered one of the ops orders tested. The rest of the test was test taking ability and time management. Without the key I would have never passed.
wisecop said
May 27, 2015
Im trying to think back, I can't say I gained even one point from the key. I'll go ahead and give them credit for the legal bulletins, that's about it. If I didn't read the patrol guide at least 3 times, I would've have failed. No one is really memorizing all this info you're just recognizing it. Without all the crazy acronyms and abbreviation the PG was my bread and butter.
Suckerpunched said
May 27, 2015
I read the book cover to cover. I took notes on every procedure--not just the 5 shields-- I took B-12 vitamins, i hydrated myself, i took tylenol during the test to eliminate any headaches that might come up during the test...i used Rosemary oil while i studied and during the test--it helps with concentration (read about it), i spent 3 weeks vacation doing 11 hour days...
Did all this things help? Whos knows and who gives a fvck, all I know is that it gave me a mental edge, and thats all i needed.
This test was ridiculous BUT not impossible. The 2011 test was worse than this one. With this one there was already a fvcked up template in place...with 2011 there was none.
i say all that to say this: the test was not won by people that studied hard...this test was won by the people that won the MENTAL BATTLE waged by capt insano----thats all there is to it!!
Those that failed didnt fail because they didnt study, they failed because they fell into the trap laid out cleverly by insano and his minions, namely the time crunch and the fvcked up 2-3 part Questions.
I made the same mistake in 2011. In 2011, I remember looking out the window thinking i falied this fvking test---i was on question 40 at the time....I LOST IT MENTALLY, i slipped into desperation mode. I ended with a 68, had i relaxed ingo it i would had picked up another 5 points easily, but in desperation mode theres little chance.
i was destined not to repeat history this time around.
emt54 said
May 27, 2015
I studied very hard and am sitting on a 69. I really bombed the inbasket. Mostly because I did it last and ran out of time. If I hadn't studied so hard , I would have never recovered from that nightmare. I know I'm on the wrong side of 70 , but I'm in a much better position to pass than I thought I would be. The funny thing is, on some questions actually knowing the procedure cold hurt you instead of helped you. 106 and 45 are examples of this. I knew for a fact that the so called correct answers were wrong, and I didn't pick them because of it. Hopefully the panel sees it the same way.
sixmonthwonder said
May 27, 2015
emt54 wrote:
I studied very hard and am sitting on a 69. I really bombed the inbasket. Mostly because I did it last and ran out of time. If I hadn't studied so hard , I would have never recovered from that nightmare. I know I'm on the wrong side of 70 , but I'm in a much better position to pass than I thought I would be. The funny thing is, on some questions actually knowing the procedure cold hurt you instead of helped you. 106 and 45 are examples of this. I knew for a fact that the so called correct answers were wrong, and I didn't pick them because of it. Hopefully the panel sees it the same way.
Those will both be thrown out, 106 has to for obvious reasons and 45 should since the answer given as correct does not state the same thing as the Patrol Guide at all.
I know what you're saying about 106, I was shocked I got it right because when I entered the answer choice I knew it was wrong, but nothing else made sense at all so I picked it anyway.
Beuford T Justice said
May 28, 2015
Reading the patrol guide for me only helped if I could take my time and read it analytically. I would try to find ways that they could trick me with every line in a procedure, or catch differences between procedures.
If I just read it for the sake of reading it, or forced myself to read a certain amount a day, it was a waste. I would read when I was tired or at work in the RMP and couldn't remember the procedure the next day.
The test truly was a mental battle. I remember questions on procedures that I knew cold where it took me ten minutes just to figure out what the question was asking.
As much as I cursed at the rising star packets, I felt that a lot of their questions were very close to ones on the exam.
-- Edited by Beuford T Justice on Thursday 28th of May 2015 04:21:18 AM
Su Madre 24 said
May 28, 2015
Justice,
I agree about rising star. It's an excellent product
Samiam32 said
May 28, 2015
I have to agree with suckerpunched. You don't pass these
Promotional exams you beat them or they beat you. I lost
It mentally and It Beat me plain and simple. I still remember all that crap
I studied so I know it's not about how much I studied. For me it was about physical and mental fatigue. It was a brain f@*k.
DOA said
May 28, 2015
I said on D-Day+1 on this very forum that even if I ended up in the top 10-percent I would still say this test was a disaster. Well I'm at 68 and well within the top 10-percent . . . and I'm failing! Yeah, I'll likely get there with throwouts/doubles but it's beside the point. This test was a cluster****.
The test was ludicrous. Normal tests are not written to be 'beaten.' If that's the purpose then have they should have us climb a mountain or cross a desert and answer a riddle from a wise sage that lives at the top or other side. Maybe they can throw us in the ring with Ivan Drago and see how much of a beating we can take while they're at it. You can congratulate yourselves for your mental fortitude all you want but there is no defending this. Time management, test-taking ability and the like always play a role in one's performance on any test, however, measuring these qualities should not be the focus of any test much less a competitive promotional exam. That's what happened here. I don't recall them being tested on any other exam I have taken in my life. I also don't recall seeing mental stamina, riddle solving ability or a capacity to decipher trick-questions listed on the NOE either. People talk about the OOs being arbitrary meanwhile the entire test's format was arbitrary in this sense! It was an ambush and, whether you passed or failed, it is indefensible.
Don't get me wrong. I believe people who are north of the line earned their spot on the top of the list. It wasn't luck. I gave it a huge effort. I earned my spot in the top 10-percent. I know others who gave more. They deserve to be higher. I believe those who scored better than I, by and large, earned that higher score. I don't begrudge anyone their success even if luck played a little bit of a hand. You earned your spot on the top of the list. As ****ed up as this test was, nobody can take that away from you.
Su Madre 24 said
May 28, 2015
I'm at 67. You really thinks that puts us in top 10% range?
I wonder what the average score was. 62?
sixmonthwonder said
May 28, 2015
Su Madre 24 wrote:
I'm at 67. You really thinks that puts us in top 10% range?
I wonder what the average score was. 62?
I think the average score is likely much lower than that. Remember, you can't use the people on this forum as a barometer for the average sergeant who took this test. Most of the people here, even the ones who failed by quite a lot, were studying pretty hard from the gate. The majority of people did not study nearly as hard as us. The guy next to me at the test literally had about 40 questions left when the bell range. A lot of people just went to the class and barely cracked the book, hoping for a "Lucky Saturday."
The average score for members of this forum may be around 62, but for the job as a whole I would guess low 50's and possibly even 40's.
-- Edited by sixmonthwonder on Thursday 28th of May 2015 05:31:11 PM
Su Madre 24 said
May 28, 2015
That's crazy.
scheduleB_magnet said
May 28, 2015
sixmonthwonder wrote:
Su Madre 24 wrote:
I'm at 67. You really thinks that puts us in top 10% range?
I wonder what the average score was. 62?
I think the average score is likely much lower than that. Remember, you can't use the people on this forum as a barometer for the average sergeant who took this test. Most of the people here, even the ones who failed by quite a lot, were studying pretty hard from the gate. The majority of people did not study nearly as hard as us. The guy next to me at the test literally had about 40 questions left when the bell range. A lot of people just went to the class and barely cracked the book, hoping for a "Lucky Saturday."
The average score for members of this forum may be around 62, but for the job as a whole I would guess low 50's and possibly even 40's.
-- Edited by sixmonthwonder on Thursday 28th of May 2015 05:31:11 PM
Definitely agree. The actual average score for this exam with everyone that sat for it is more between 48-51.
DOA said
May 28, 2015
Legend has it 128 people passed this test with a raw score of 70 or above. Frankly, I never believed this number until a reliable source I personally know and trust corroborated it. Given that, I think it is safe to assume a 68 puts me somewhere among the next 132 names. That is the top 10-percent. I would guesstimate that 65 and above is well within the top 20-percent. That gives you about 500 names based on raw score alone. It doesn't mean either myself or anyone else will get the points they need but it shows you how ****ed up this test was. You can be in the top 5 to 10 percent and ultimately fail this thing. Again, not taking anything away from anyone who made the initial cut but that is absurd.
With a 67 you have as much of a dog in this fight as me. You should try to be optimistic. The worst thing that can happen at this point is nothing.
In all seriousness, I know sgt2be. He knows his **** down cold. So there was no luck in him passing. Me on the other hand, I worked very hard to pass this exam, just as hard as others who have failed or are on the fence. Even though I did somewhat well, even with all the hard work, I will be the first to admit luck was on my side. A lot of research questions are ones I know for a fact I got wrong, and I was lucky enough to have that fall in my favor. The opposite could've easily happened to me, so for that I am blessed to have the opportunity to obtain the next rank and advance my career surviving this abortion of an exam. Almost every free moment I had was spent reading something straight from the patrol guide. I didn't use Yano's packets until about a week before the test when I was at my kids bedside at a hospital where she laid for almost a week with a bad kidney infection.
And for the record, I am and have been patrol my entire career, including as a sergeant, so stop with the "everyone who passed is at 1PP or IAB" generalization. I take pride in the amount of effort I put in while still being on the street, so hard work definitely played a part.
-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Monday 25th of May 2015 08:50:54 PM
No but seriously i knew these instructors were full of **** ... If the key and elite said " hey just crush the guide" we wouldn't bother buying their scam
Took 2 tests , passed 2 Haven't attended a class yet
I need the structure, that the classes provide. Took the key for SGT, Elite for LT, passed both. I don't trust myself to try to develop a plan of attack on studying that book on my own. More power to you, that actually very impressive. For me the courses helped me stay the course, stay focused, stay motivated.
Bro you weren't luck....you were right up there w me and prob to a pt where you deserved to do better than me...this was not a lucky Saturday test. The one thing I'll give them credit is eliminating that variable as much as possible. I know alot of ppl when they studied and told me I'm studying to pass. It's so funny bc I'd sit there and laugh to myself. I studied for a hundred...they studied to pass. those guys all failed...and need alot if help 64's. The guys w 67s etc on here...most of you guys will end up on the passing side. Some will not..but that's the purpose of a test...some succeed and some do not
I definitely studied to ace the test and be in the first class and I think that made a difference. Had I studied just to pass or be on the list, I'd probably be in the same predicament as most find themselves now, in my personal opinion.
Agreed 110%
#disgrace
I agree with sgt2be. 54 aint going anywhere. People should def refocus their efforts on questions that have a chance to have the answer amended.
-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Monday 25th of May 2015 11:25:02 PM
For the 11 sergeants test I did the same thing but had read the whole patrol guide and found that everything I wanted was covered in at least one of the packets. Only read up to 212 this time.
What did you score if you don't mind me asking?
Are you talking about the 2015 LT test?
I must have missed the operations orders class.
I'm confused as you are I guess the key had all you needed to get a 70. Smh
Did you write some of the test questions? Because some of them were as contradictory as your post.
-- Edited by wisecop on Wednesday 27th of May 2015 03:34:49 AM
I read the book cover to cover. I took notes on every procedure--not just the 5 shields-- I took B-12 vitamins, i hydrated myself, i took tylenol during the test to eliminate any headaches that might come up during the test...i used Rosemary oil while i studied and during the test--it helps with concentration (read about it), i spent 3 weeks vacation doing 11 hour days...
Did all this things help? Whos knows and who gives a fvck, all I know is that it gave me a mental edge, and thats all i needed.
This test was ridiculous BUT not impossible. The 2011 test was worse than this one. With this one there was already a fvcked up template in place...with 2011 there was none.
i say all that to say this: the test was not won by people that studied hard...this test was won by the people that won the MENTAL BATTLE waged by capt insano----thats all there is to it!!
Those that failed didnt fail because they didnt study, they failed because they fell into the trap laid out cleverly by insano and his minions, namely the time crunch and the fvcked up 2-3 part Questions.
I made the same mistake in 2011. In 2011, I remember looking out the window thinking i falied this fvking test---i was on question 40 at the time....I LOST IT MENTALLY, i slipped into desperation mode. I ended with a 68, had i relaxed ingo it i would had picked up another 5 points easily, but in desperation mode theres little chance.
i was destined not to repeat history this time around.
Those will both be thrown out, 106 has to for obvious reasons and 45 should since the answer given as correct does not state the same thing as the Patrol Guide at all.
I know what you're saying about 106, I was shocked I got it right because when I entered the answer choice I knew it was wrong, but nothing else made sense at all so I picked it anyway.
Reading the patrol guide for me only helped if I could take my time and read it analytically. I would try to find ways that they could trick me with every line in a procedure, or catch differences between procedures.
If I just read it for the sake of reading it, or forced myself to read a certain amount a day, it was a waste. I would read when I was tired or at work in the RMP and couldn't remember the procedure the next day.
The test truly was a mental battle. I remember questions on procedures that I knew cold where it took me ten minutes just to figure out what the question was asking.
As much as I cursed at the rising star packets, I felt that a lot of their questions were very close to ones on the exam.
-- Edited by Beuford T Justice on Thursday 28th of May 2015 04:21:18 AM
I agree about rising star. It's an excellent product
Promotional exams you beat them or they beat you. I lost
It mentally and It Beat me plain and simple. I still remember all that crap
I studied so I know it's not about how much I studied. For me it was about physical and mental fatigue. It was a brain f@*k.
The test was ludicrous. Normal tests are not written to be 'beaten.' If that's the purpose then have they should have us climb a mountain or cross a desert and answer a riddle from a wise sage that lives at the top or other side. Maybe they can throw us in the ring with Ivan Drago and see how much of a beating we can take while they're at it. You can congratulate yourselves for your mental fortitude all you want but there is no defending this. Time management, test-taking ability and the like always play a role in one's performance on any test, however, measuring these qualities should not be the focus of any test much less a competitive promotional exam. That's what happened here. I don't recall them being tested on any other exam I have taken in my life. I also don't recall seeing mental stamina, riddle solving ability or a capacity to decipher trick-questions listed on the NOE either. People talk about the OOs being arbitrary meanwhile the entire test's format was arbitrary in this sense! It was an ambush and, whether you passed or failed, it is indefensible.
Don't get me wrong. I believe people who are north of the line earned their spot on the top of the list. It wasn't luck. I gave it a huge effort. I earned my spot in the top 10-percent. I know others who gave more. They deserve to be higher. I believe those who scored better than I, by and large, earned that higher score. I don't begrudge anyone their success even if luck played a little bit of a hand. You earned your spot on the top of the list. As ****ed up as this test was, nobody can take that away from you.
I wonder what the average score was. 62?
I think the average score is likely much lower than that. Remember, you can't use the people on this forum as a barometer for the average sergeant who took this test. Most of the people here, even the ones who failed by quite a lot, were studying pretty hard from the gate. The majority of people did not study nearly as hard as us. The guy next to me at the test literally had about 40 questions left when the bell range. A lot of people just went to the class and barely cracked the book, hoping for a "Lucky Saturday."
The average score for members of this forum may be around 62, but for the job as a whole I would guess low 50's and possibly even 40's.
-- Edited by sixmonthwonder on Thursday 28th of May 2015 05:31:11 PM
Definitely agree. The actual average score for this exam with everyone that sat for it is more between 48-51.
With a 67 you have as much of a dog in this fight as me. You should try to be optimistic. The worst thing that can happen at this point is nothing.