I thought we were supposed to find out last week what's going on with the contract?

Negative k. Best we can do is an update on who won the watches in the raffle. The email about staying safe on the NYE detail sent at 0900 on 01/01 was also a nice touch.

One thing for sure is the contract will be crap. Just give me my retro!

Let the uncle address some issues here for some first timers or those out of the loop.
6 out of 8 union board members were present during the Mullins era. Mullins stole six hundred thousand from the union. Six of the current board members were present for this and failed to intervene.

Mullins resigns and the rest of them got a bump. Vinny V goes to the top and the rest is history.
A few short months later the Sba takes an awful deal and the membership takes a severe hit.
Top pay for Sgts is now completion of 5 years and the pay disparity is awful. The deal bumped top pay approx 10 grand.

Current day- the board is pathetic and useless. Sgts are out of contract for two years and just under half the membership is getting paid less than top pay cops and 3rd graders.
Get them out.
If you want a raise get promoted to Lt. Harsh reality.


Fraternally,

The uncle

Where is the 2024 SBA calendar?

Im going to ask my buddy the Janitor to see if he got his, its very important to get those calendars.

The 2023 calendar is good until Feb 2024. So next month we will probably start getting the new calendars. The small book with phone# I havent gotten last three years.

Stop worrying about Calendars and cast a vote ..
Share with any and all SGT we have almost 250 Votes Keep it goin

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Disrespectful, the fact that the SBA continues to prolong the contract provide zero info.

Do you think they will get to 2800 or so on this list before they settle the contract? Straight to top pay would be nice lol.

My buddy the janitor doesnt think they will even get pass 2000.

Can we form a new union? Is that doable?

We should opt out of paying union dues

Supreme Court said u can. U still get raises. What u dont get is representationeye care..dentallife insurance. What Im saying its not worth it

I believe a rally at SBA building is our next step. I believe they are on winter break?! Idk what that means, what are they doing now? What are the updates? Are they still have their day to day calls with the city? Is this going to perb? These are honest answers we deserve and frankly over due. We need to show up. We have a right to be angry and we should demonstrate that. Whether its a meet up and having coffee outside or going to a meeting, ImNot talking 6-10 people either. Come on people, youre worth more than this. I am fed up on the incompetence. How do we organize this, get a real
Number of people attending. Is this too much to ask for?

Most delegates are at top pay, they can care less.

Last my delegate said was that union and city no longer having in person meetings. They are hashing out the minor details over the phone.

You can order cards online, gets to you in 2 days, really quick.

Night diff going up to 15%.
Working in an A house will get you 10% increase for hazard pay
Working in an b house will get you 5% increase for hazard pay
Working in c house get You nothing.

Oh wait, sorry, this contract is for the janitorial support services in my kids school. Something about losing chart days too once promoted.

Sba members are screwed anyway

This last email is hysterical. Don't believe the rumors but no contract. First union in the history of the NYPD fighting for the unborn. What a joke. Show me the money.

Check your emails for a SBA contract update. Its not good news.

Basically youre not going to top pay if youre not at top pay already. The top three classes on this last list got screwed

Dear Fellow Sergeant,

We met with the City again today to review and discuss the viable proposal we made to settle the expired contract. While we are still in the process of talking and continuing to move forward, please understand that the numbers already agreed upon through the coalition deal remain in place.

Unfortunately, there have been numerous malicious and untrue rumors spread by naysayers who have no clue what has been taking place during these talks. Some of these rumors are addressed below. The fact is that these talks have never stalled right up until todays meeting.

How is it possible that a frontline supervisor in the worlds largest and most respected police department can take a promotion and be making less than their subordinates?

It happened through attrition bargaining. It is attrition bargaining that has brought us to this terrible place in negotiations. We are committed to a different path that seeks to fix the current system that forces newly promoted sergeants to take a pay cut. We have made a comprehensive proposal that will accomplish that in a way that fixes the problem going forward. That is what the parties are working on now.

To rectify the untenable situation the SBA was placed in by past negotiations, the current Board diligently went to work to break down the numbers to find a resolution that was fair and equitable to our membership and the City. What we offered to help correct this situation will easily cover the change in the first 4 pay steps. As a result, newly promoted Sergeants will finally be where they should be from a salary perspective considering all their added responsibilities.

Under the present way of doing business, the City has no option but to keep promoting new members to top pay, which, in essence, costs an additional $25 million with that number growing with each promotion class.

While we have all been victims of top pay going from 3 to 5 years over our careers, this type of situation cannot continue. The unfair pay disparity to Sergeants who were at the top of the list was clearly created by the City and should be corrected through a logical process, not through some type of giveback. The SBA board has given the city a path to correct this, and we hope the current City negotiators will do what is right and stop this fiscal injustice from further harming our members.

This Board has a responsibility to present a fair contract to the whole of the membership and that has been our goal. While I understand some of the concerns, please realize we too are affected by this contract. It would be irresponsible to place the concerns of any fringe groups over the general membership. The time is now to correct this egregious inequity once and for all, and we are determined to do just that.

Thank you for your understanding and support. We will keep you apprised of all future developments as they occur.
Questions & Answers to Concerns

Sergeants will not receive the same increases that the other police unions have received/ there is a time limit to accept the increases that other police unions received.

The SBA, as part of the uniformed coalition, agreed to the basic wage increases in June. Those increases are set in stone. The coalition deal does not have an expiration date. The increases to base pay will be 3.25% effective December 10, 2021; 3.25% effective December 10, 2022; 3.5% effective December 10, 2023; 3.5% effective December 10, 2024; and 4.0% effective December 10, 2025. The outstanding issues that are still being discussed are the salary schedule and ancillary benefits.

We should sue.

There is no violation of our contract or current civil service law that would support a lawsuit. The City has lived up to all provisions of our current collective bargaining agreement. All parties agree that the current situation where junior sergeants are making more than senior sergeants and in some cases Police Officers are making more than sergeants is not fair but there is no violation of law.

Its a Civil Service law that a Supervisor must make more than those they supervise.

There is no such law on the books.

Why are recently promoted sergeants making more than those promoted prior to them?

Although there is no law on the books that a sergeant must make more than a police officer, the Department has established a practice that on the date of promotion those promoted must receive an increase, regardless of contract settlement dates. Since the PBA and DEA have settled their respective contracts, their current salaries are higher than all but Step 6 in the Sergeants salary schedule, so to receive an increase newly promoted sergeants are placed at Step 6.

All sergeants who are not at top pay will be elevated to top pay once the contract is agreed upon.

Although this is something that the SBA is seeking, it has been turned down by the City. The City has submitted adjustments to the current salary schedule that do not contain a permanent solution, but just a temporary fix. We have submitted proposals to the City to permanently correct the salary scale so that the disparity in pay is corrected in to the future.

There will be no retroactive pay.

Any agreement will contain retroactive pay for the basic wage increases already agreed upon. Retroactive pay will be based upon the increases of 3.25% effective December 10, 2021; 3.25% effective December 10, 2022; and 3.5% effective December 10, 2023. As of December 10, 2023, a top pay sergeant would receive approximately $12,000 (gross) in retroactive pay.

Yea notice how they said

We have made a comprehensive proposal that will accomplish that in a way that fixes the problem going forward. That is what the parties are working on now.

Key word Going Forward AKA all current SGT not at top pay are getting screwed lol Union is a F**king Joke

What a load of horse shieeeet.

Im glad the SBA reads the forum. Everyone who sits on that board should be ashamed of themselves. Worst thing I did in my career was take a promotion to Sergeant. Second worst thing I did in my career was not take the LTs test seriously. Only way out of this shit union! Your members are unhappy and underpaid and youre doing nothing about it but sending out emails that basically tell us were screwed! SBA is garbage!

Reads to me like an apology letter for all the issues brought up to light by posts here. Still has no concrete information on what is being proposed by the union and counter offered by the city. VOTE THEM OUT!

Right with you Salty. Made a bad decision which will actually cost my family money.

Amazing that the- what is it, thousands?- of Sergeants promoted in the last few years not at top pay are dismissed as a fringe group.

Keep on Voting and blast this out to Social Media make these guys look bad, They obviously dont care about their own members so F**K em. So let them know how you actually feel, since they to seem to care more about being badmouthed on social media then actually doing their jobs

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I like how the union talks about how theres no leg to stand on suing the city. Folks, its not about suing the city. Its about suing the Sba. To get rid of this corrupt board of members who knew people were taking union dues and not saying a word. The coverup. We should entrust the same people covering up a scandal to handle anything from this point on?? This union has never done crap to help its members and I have the proof

Useless calendars have arrived!

No mail on Sunday

I know, mine arrived Saturday.

Hows the art?

Cant wait to get mine

I think its a nice calendar, I can keep track of my vacation and other important dates.

Its nice you can start marking of days in 2024 Where you still make less than every cop on the job

What a pathetic email from the SBA. They have BOASTED about the fact that promoting new Sergeants who are now going to top pay will cost the city MILLIONS of dollars and also have remarked that holding out on 12hr tours is an ace in the hole. Yet we still cant get veteran Sergeants paid more than junior Sergeants, much less the POs were supervising.

Can they sit and think how preposterous it is that I am running around the streets of Brooklyn North or the Bronx below minimum manning, verifying arrests, staying late to write 49s, man the desk without while trying to complete a stupid BWC audit yet the freshly shaven Sergeant sitting in BMOC, listening to the SBA come by with a catered lunch, paid for with MY DUES, is getting paid 25k more than me.

Oh not to mention Im one of the poor saps that didnt even get a promotion ceremony. I got a 20 minute thanks for showing up, heres your new tin. What a stupid decision to take this rank.