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Be happy you passed, but stay grounded: this is a huge list. What do we know about past lists and cutoffs and could this list potentially be exhausted?



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Too early to start thinking about that buddy. In the meantime try to become a detective, go get your masters/PhD/law degree..so even if it doesnt pan out you have something to fall back on.

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I dont recall any Sgt list in the last ten years being cutoff. The 2011 list had @ 1700 passers. All made it (that cleared carb) and it didnt take 4 years. I got in the 1800s on this test and Im 50/50. If I get in its 3-4 years. But remember we just had a LT and cpt text that lots of people passed.

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I think everyone is good but this list will run 4 yrs without a doubt. Suck for the next wave waiting for the next sgts exam

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1800 to 2000 should be ok. Anything above 1800 gets dicey.

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1800 to 2000 should be ok. Anything above 1800 gets dicey.


 Well thats a contradictory statement 



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I wouldn't worry to much. The same people talking about this list getting cut are the same ones saying everyone is gonna get made from that long LT list about to come out. Nobody knows what's going to happen. A long sgt list, a long lt list, and a long cpt list should balance themselves out. Will everyone get made. Who knows. But why stress about it. They made it through 900 plus sgts from December 2015 to the mid summer of 2017. That's basically 1 and a half years from start to finish. If they move our list at that rate or even a little below, most should be okay.

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I'm in the 2100s and nervous as hell. I'm terrified of the double whammy where I die on the list, but because the list is so big they don't give another test for forever. I'm cool with waiting four years to get made, but I could be looking at eight years and that's IF I pass the next test.

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I'd be nervous too. I'm 1600s and am worried. If i was any deeper in the list I'd throw in the white rag.

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I'd be nervous too. I'm 1600s and am worried. If i was any deeper in the list I'd throw in the white rag.


 I wouldnt worry at 1600s 2011 test had all 1700 get made (that cleared carb)



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My prayers are with the lower guys on the list. That's 100 sincere. I hope everyone makes it.



-- Edited by yougonow on Monday 1st of January 2018 01:29:12 PM

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I am the last one to rain on anyone's parade and say this list will expire but it will. It is just impossible to promote 2600 sergeants in 4 years. It hasn't been done and it wont.

This list will go it's four years and if it reaches 2100, your lucky.

Everyone else get in your head that you aren't on this list. There is absolutely no way this list will go to 2600 and anyone who argues this has no understanding of promotions.

On top of that if you are past the 2100's be honest with yourself. You didn't exactly "put in the work" as much and probably failed originally. Next time study harder and you wouldn't have to wonder.

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I wouldn't say that necessarily. I know some people who put a ton of time in who didn't pass. Some people just aren't good test takers.

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That said if I do die, at least I will always remember who you notify if somebody gets hurt by collapsed scaffolding. Had Dept of Buildings, switched to Operations, and apparently cost myself about 300 spots.

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I am the last one to rain on anyone's parade and say this list will expire but it will. It is just impossible to promote 2600 sergeants in 4 years. It hasn't been done and it wont.

This list will go it's four years and if it reaches 2100, your lucky.

Everyone else get in your head that you aren't on this list. There is absolutely no way this list will go to 2600 and anyone who argues this has no understanding of promotions.

On top of that if you are past the 2100's be honest with yourself. You didn't exactly "put in the work" as much and probably failed originally. Next time study harder and you wouldn't have to wonder.


 Brutally honest post but i do agree.

On this exam you cant blame dcas or the job or sabbath scammers or military scammers or cheaters.

The only person you can blame is the mirror.



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Every point counts when there are this many passers.

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ManHands wrote:

I am the last one to rain on anyone's parade and say this list will expire but it will. It is just impossible to promote 2600 sergeants in 4 years. It hasn't been done and it wont.

This list will go it's four years and if it reaches 2100, your lucky.

Everyone else get in your head that you aren't on this list. There is absolutely no way this list will go to 2600 and anyone who argues this has no understanding of promotions.

On top of that if you are past the 2100's be honest with yourself. You didn't exactly "put in the work" as much and probably failed originally. Next time study harder and you wouldn't have to wonder.


 I agree with just about everything you said except the "put in the work" part. I know alot of guys who studied hard but ended up in the 2000s. Getting a certain grade on a clearly broken gotcha test (I say that because there were 10 throwouts) doesn't mean that they didn't put in the work. People retain information differently. This is a memorization test. Not at all does this weed out the workers from zeroes or leaders from followers.  Someone can study for 3 months and score higher than someone who spent a year. Plus I have 2 sgts in my command that got a 60 and a 62 on there tests and still got promoted so it's not like this job doesn't have plenty of supervisors who failed to make that 70 mark. 



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Even if they made 40 Sgts a month without missing a month they still wont get to 2000 in the next 4 years. They will get up to 1500 if they are lucky. Look at the list with 1670 I think it took 5 years to get to that. Their are a lot of new Sgts that got promoted in the last 5 years.

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Even if they made 40 Sgts a month without missing a month they still wont get to 2000 in the next 4 years. They will get up to 1500 if they are lucky. Look at the list with 1670 I think it took 5 years to get to that. Their are a lot of new Sgts that got promoted in the last 5 years.


 -The 2011 Sgts list had about 1650 people on it

- 1st class was around April/May of 2012

-Last class was around October 2015

-3.5 years to get through 1650 people so it's about 470 promotions per year based on the life of that list.

Anyone 2000 and below should be safe...expect the worse and hope for the best



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Just do the math... 671 promoted a year for 4 years to complete whole list

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Just do the math... 671 promoted a year for 4 years to complete whole list


 Wowzers thats a lot. The entire 2008 list had 671 names lol.



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The job has 4800 sgts and technical has to stay around that number. Since 2012,there has been roughly 2500 sgts promoted which all have at minimum 4 more years before retirement... Will the job replace 2300 sgts in the current work force within four years? I highly doubt that... And this list is at 2600...more than half the current work force... Congrats to all that passed. It is a big accomplishment. But unfortunately if you are over list# 2000, then.... Just be happy you made the list.

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There are roughly 400 Sgts left with 25yrs OTJ now possibly ready to retire before year is up.

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I'm not gonna be "happy I made the list" if I don't get promoted and I don't know why anybody would be. I would much rather just fail and know what I need to do than spend 4 years in limbo. It's gonna be very hard to motivate myself to study for and take a test that I might not even need to take.

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I'm going to remain optimistic and hope they curved this test for a reason. They couldn't have have curved it so dramatically without knowing they would end up with such a massive list. It's possible they had such a number in mind, or else why do it?

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I'm going to remain optimistic and hope they curved this test for a reason. They couldn't have have curved it so dramatically without knowing they would end up with such a massive list. It's possible they had such a number in mind, or else why do it?


 No reason for anything with the job. And to try to figure things out is just wasting time really. Strange things this year and It seems the LT list and captain list will be large as well. Who knows if the list will get cut... I think the word people are looking for is actually expire. Unless they extend it like they did with this Sgt exam was scheduled for October then boooom out of nowhere its february. We'll have to see how it all plays out



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The large captain and LT lists give me hope, although I wish they had been given before our test to get a head start.

You're right that there is no use stressing about it for four years though. I just don't want to be the guy still on midnights with 25 years on telling kids about how the job ****ed me 18 years ago. Because I will fail the next 6 tests.

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BigRed wrote:

I'm going to remain optimistic and hope they curved this test for a reason. They couldn't have have curved it so dramatically without knowing they would end up with such a massive list. It's possible they had such a number in mind, or else why do it?


 This test was not "curved." This test was protested heavily. There were thousands of protests by a lot of intelligent people who provided evidence as to why these questions should be thrown out. Along with some double answers, that is why do many people picked up extra points, not because the job was sympathetic and wanted to pass a bunch of people. 



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I'm going to remain optimistic and hope they curved this test for a reason. They couldn't have have curved it so dramatically without knowing they would end up with such a massive list. It's possible they had such a number in mind, or else why do it?


 I will forgive you because your answer sounds like this is your first test.

There is no such thing as a curve anymore.

If people protest well and it sticks we get those points.

If no one protests then we dont pick up those points.

It has zero to do with a curve.



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I'm not saying they curved it out of sympathy, I know enough to know the job doesn't give a **** about me. I know there was throwouts and whatnot, but that doesn't seem like enough to explain this list. I know people who jumped as many as 20 points. The list is three times the size as the last one.

I just think it's entirely possible that the original list didn't quite look the way they wanted in terms of...diversity, so they doctored it a bit.

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I'm not saying they curved it out of sympathy, I know enough to know the job doesn't give a **** about me. I know there was throwouts and whatnot, but that doesn't seem like enough to explain this list. I know people who jumped as many as 20 points. The list is three times the size as the last one.

I just think it's entirely possible that the original list didn't quite look the way they wanted in terms of...diversity, so they doctored it a bit.


 Diversity!?!?!?!



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I'm going to remain optimistic and hope they curved this test for a reason. They couldn't have have curved it so dramatically without knowing they would end up with such a massive list. It's possible they had such a number in mind, or else why do it?


 This test was not "curved." This test was protested heavily. There were thousands of protests by a lot of intelligent people who provided evidence as to why these questions should be thrown out. Along with some double answers, that is why do many people picked up extra points, not because the job was sympathetic and wanted to pass a bunch of people. 


My money is on curved. 



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I'm not saying they curved it out of sympathy, I know enough to know the job doesn't give a **** about me. I know there was throwouts and whatnot, but that doesn't seem like enough to explain this list. I know people who jumped as many as 20 points. The list is three times the size as the last one.

I just think it's entirely possible that the original list didn't quite look the way they wanted in terms of...diversity, so they doctored it a bit.


 No one jumped 20 points.

The job didnt magically shuffle minorities and women into higher spots.

You need a tin foil hat.

 



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I hope they did curve it for "diversity" i and many others would sue the crap out of this job and city.

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And here come the conspiracy theories lol...if you dont like your score you have no one to blame but yourself.

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You guys are misunderstanding me completely. I'm not saying that only women and minorities had their scores curved, I'm saying everybody did, which includes women and minorities. Nobody is negatively affected in this scenario, it's just that a higher number of certain types of people pass. Nobody got jumped.  I didn't think that would be hard to understand.

And yes, some people jumped 20 points. I know a 10 year guy with no medals/military/JST/etc who went from a 69 at the protest to an 88.



-- Edited by BigRed on Wednesday 3rd of January 2018 12:09:25 AM

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You guys are misunderstanding me completely. I'm not saying that only women and minorities had their scores curved, I'm saying everybody did, which includes women and minorities. Nobody is negatively affected in this scenario, it's just that a higher number of certain types of people pass. Nobody got jumped.  I didn't think that would be hard to understand.

And yes, some people jumped 20 points. I know a 10 year guy with no medals/military/JST/etc who went from a 69 at the protest to an 88.



-- Edited by BigRed on Wednesday 3rd of January 2018 12:09:25 AM


 Hes lying to you.



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THE TEST WAS NOT CURVED I WENT TO THE PROTEST SESSION AND ORGININAL GOT A 65. I THINK THERE WERE 11 OR 12 QUESTION THAT GOT THROWN OUT I PICK UP 9 THATS A 74 AND 6 POINTS FOR MY SENIORITY THAT LEFT ME WITH A 80 THERE NO CURVE. SO OVERALL I PICK UP 15 POINTS



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Playing the white man race card is a shame red.  You got probably 3 years on the job the way you talk about a curve. You wouldnt know a hard test of it was outside taking a **** on your car. You didnt put the work in and then by the grace of god you caught all the throw out points and made the list. Now you bitching cause someone else who failed happen to pick up more points then you. Give me a break rook. If you dont like it build a time machine go back in time and either study fo the test or get on 8 years ago so you could of gotten full longevtiy.  until then instead of bitching about diversity go do some police work for the first time. 



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You guys are misunderstanding me completely. I'm not saying that only women and minorities had their scores curved, I'm saying everybody did, which includes women and minorities. Nobody is negatively affected in this scenario, it's just that a higher number of certain types of people pass. Nobody got jumped.  I didn't think that would be hard to understand.

And yes, some people jumped 20 points. I know a 10 year guy with no medals/military/JST/etc who went from a 69 at the protest to an 88.



-- Edited by BigRed on Wednesday 3rd of January 2018 12:09:25 AM


 Hes lying to you.


 I mean, he's not, considering he told me he got a 69 in April and was freaking out about it.



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WELL SAID DIRTY30



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Bigzero, if you dont get promoted off of the fairest sgt exam in the last 15 years then i dont know what to say.

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You guys are misunderstanding me completely. I'm not saying that only women and minorities had their scores curved, I'm saying everybody did, which includes women and minorities. Nobody is negatively affected in this scenario, it's just that a higher number of certain types of people pass. Nobody got jumped.  I didn't think that would be hard to understand.

And yes, some people jumped 20 points. I know a 10 year guy with no medals/military/JST/etc who went from a 69 at the protest to an 88.



-- Edited by BigRed on Wednesday 3rd of January 2018 12:09:25 AM


 Hes lying to you.


 I mean, he's not, considering he told me he got a 69 in April and was freaking out about it.


 A 69 is the most popular score on the test. Everyone who fails gets a 69.



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Playing the white man race card is a shame red.  You got probably 3 years on the job the way you talk about a curve. You wouldnt know a hard test of it was outside taking a **** on your car. You didnt put the work in and then by the grace of god you caught all the throw out points and made the list. Now you bitching cause someone else who failed happen to pick up more points then you. Give me a break rook. If you dont like it build a time machine go back in time and either study fo the test or get on 8 years ago so you could of gotten full longevtiy.  until then instead of bitching about diversity go do some police work for the first time. 


 I'm at a loss as to how somebody could misinterpret my post this badly.  I mean I have worked with some dumb cops but still.  I'll break it down for you:

I'm not playing the race card, nor am I bitching about diversity.  I benefited from the curve the same way they did.  I'm not claiming that anybody was unfairly jumped, just that scores were bumped up so more people of every race and gender, including white guys like myself, passed.

 

I'm also not sure how using a time machine to go back and get on a year earlier would help me, but you do seem to know everything so I'll take yoir word for it.



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You guys are misunderstanding me completely. I'm not saying that only women and minorities had their scores curved, I'm saying everybody did, which includes women and minorities. Nobody is negatively affected in this scenario, it's just that a higher number of certain types of people pass. Nobody got jumped.  I didn't think that would be hard to understand.

And yes, some people jumped 20 points. I know a 10 year guy with no medals/military/JST/etc who went from a 69 at the protest to an 88.



-- Edited by BigRed on Wednesday 3rd of January 2018 12:09:25 AM


 Hes lying to you.


 I mean, he's not, considering he told me he got a 69 in April and was freaking out about it.


 A 69 is the most popular score on the test. Everyone who fails gets a 69.


The point is he failed as of the protest session.  If he didn't get a 69 that only means he jumped even more than 19 points, because I see his name in black and white on the list with an 88.  

Jesus Christ guys.



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The most points Ive heard picked up is 16 which is still a lot so 20 points doesnt sound too crazy anymore

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You guys are misunderstanding me completely. I'm not saying that only women and minorities had their scores curved, I'm saying everybody did, which includes women and minorities. Nobody is negatively affected in this scenario, it's just that a higher number of certain types of people pass. Nobody got jumped.  I didn't think that would be hard to understand.

And yes, some people jumped 20 points. I know a 10 year guy with no medals/military/JST/etc who went from a 69 at the protest to an 88.



-- Edited by BigRed on Wednesday 3rd of January 2018 12:09:25 AM


 Hes lying to you.


 I mean, he's not, considering he told me he got a 69 in April and was freaking out about it.


 A 69 is the most popular score on the test. Everyone who fails gets a 69.


 Haha so true, but why lie though? Especially when so many questions got thrown out on this test, yet I know some cops hat supposedly scored in high 60s yet didnt manage to pick up 2 or 3 points. Is it possible? - Yes. Likely? - Hell no. I dont believe that they managed to get that many thrown out questions right and didnt get those point needed.



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BigRed, I think you forgot you are dealing with cops and adults in here. You sound like a effing idiot and need to shut the fvck up. Your claiming you didn't mean anything by it but are saying it was curved "so every race and gender, including white guys" can benefit from it.

If thats the effing case, why was it even necessary to bring up the "diversity" part ?

If its for "everyone" to benefit, then "diversity" shouldn't have been mentioned to begin with.

We understood what you meant.

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The most points Ive heard picked up is 16 which is still a lot so 20 points doesnt sound too crazy anymore


 Yeah I could see it, if you picked up most of the throw-outs, plus military, plus JST, have 15+ years and some medals? All that stuff adds up



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"I just think it's entirely possible that the original list didn't quite look the way they wanted in terms of...diversity, so they doctored it a bit. "

Please guy ... don't try to take a step back now and try to play down what you said. Be a man about it ... punk.

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