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New!* Protest questions


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Concurrent Jurisdiction Question - No age on the Aunt

Uber Question - They want 1 61 even though the two in the back didn't get robbed (Yano verified)

Continuous event Question - In story states a cont event for purse snatch, assault to second CV, eventhough its NOT a continuous event

Uniform Question - No uniform equipment in civilian clothes - Windbreaker is uniform worn by A/C in civilian clothes

WHAT DO U GUYS THINK?...

 



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Please read 204-01 step 3 and give up with the uniform protest

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Please read 204-01 step 3 and give up with the uniform protest


 Exam was very tricky. Let's just wait guys/gals,..



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Uber Question - They want 1 61 even though the two in the back didn't get robbed (Yano verified)

 

 

what did yano confirm? that it was def 1 61?  if so why would we protest this?  i got it wrong so im curious



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Jab, that is should be 3



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TransitJoe wrote:

Please read 204-01 step 3 and give up with the uniform protest


What is your point.."Do not wear distinguishable items of the uniform with civilian clothes"

WHAT do you think a windbreaker jacket is?.... 



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Isn't the rule 1 61 no matter how many assaults with a robbery? How is that not just 1 61?

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2015 LT EXAM....Utter F*cking DISATER of an exam. Over 1300 protests were submitted. NOT ONE THROWOUT. I have no faith in the review board.

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Lar44, That was choice a. Which is the most correct. That was the word for word choice. I got that question wrong also.

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I might be in the minority here, but Im protesting the LOD question. The majority consensus say the LT was available to do parts A and B of the LOD paperwork when he is assigned to the desk. I put since that its just him (desk officer) and the patrol supervisor (sgt), the LT is not available. i consulted with Mike Yanosik about it and he said it can go either way.



-- Edited by BxPogiBoy on Tuesday 29th of August 2017 04:40:19 PM

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I agree with that LOD question protest also. I consulted with the key and they said it's def a double answer. The guide would have to define what is available/unavailable.  Now we just have to write it up properly.



-- Edited by TransitJoe on Tuesday 29th of August 2017 04:28:13 PM

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I'm with you on that uber question 



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What's the argument with the Uber question? How is it different than the definition scenario, assault 3 people but only Rob one, it's one 61 for robbery.

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TransitJoe wrote:

What's the argument with the Uber question? How is it different than the definition scenario, assault 3 people but only Rob one, it's one 61 for robbery.


SEPERATE 61's for each victim of an assault EXCEPT if incidental to a robbery...NEITHER one of them got robbed AND the exception for the train car rule doesn't apply bc its NOT a train car, its a CAR 



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The uber robbery 61 question is a clear cut ground ball. If you are on patrol or heard Capt misfud talk about this you know it's one 61 for robbery.

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The uber robbery 61 question is a clear cut ground ball. If you are on patrol or heard Capt misfud talk about this you know it's one 61 for robbery.


Well I have not done either in a while so how bout you explain it to me then? 



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one incident where multiple people are assaulted but just one person was robbed will be classified as 1 61 for robbery with however many victims. Even if multiple people robbed in same incident it's still just 1 61 no matter how many are assaulted during that incident



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one incident where multiple people are assaulted but just one person was robbed will be classified as 1 61 for robbery with however many victims. Even if multiple people robbed in same incident it's still just 1 61 no matter how many are assaulted during that incident


 Where in the patrol guide did you get that info from?



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207 states that assault victims will get their own 61 unless incidental to a robbery or sex crime.



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It's the definition of incidental, i.e. belonging to the same incident. The assaults and robbery both occurred during the same incident therefore the assaults were incidental and it's one 61 for robbery.

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It's the definition of incidental, i.e. belonging to the same incident. The assaults and robbery both occurred during the same incident therefore the assaults were incidental and it's one 61 for robbery.


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That's one definition buddy. Another definition from webster is: "occuring merely by chance or without or calculation." The guy intentionally opened the door and punched the two people....so three 61s. Even Yanosik said it is one of the most poorly written sentences in the Patrol Guide. So it will be a throwout..so everyone who got it wrong should protest. Don't be discouraged by the trolls who dont want it thrown out. Fight for every point!

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I was shocked that they actually went there..but overall very fair exam. I'm putting together a protest for every question I got wrong...even if it doesnt help me out, it might help out a fellow sergeant that is on the bubble.

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When would that form of the definition incidental apply then? I think that's a stretch... it's 1 incident where a robbery occurred and people were assaulted .. 1 61... but whatever I ain't here to start a fight I'm just saying. If 10 guys got lined up and pistol whipped and only one of them got their money taken no matter which happened first its 1 robbery 61. Everyones CO would remind them of the rule real quick lol. We are going to have to articulate they all got pistol whipped by chance? I dunno about that Lol



-- Edited by VerZa on Tuesday 29th of August 2017 08:01:20 PM

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Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:

I was shocked that they actually went there..but overall very fair exam. I'm putting together a protest for every question I got wrong...even if it doesnt help me out, it might help out a fellow sergeant that is on the bubble.


 Ondeeair,

 

im glad you're doing well pal. You think you passed this test? Stay safe homie!



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Agreed brother 



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I'll be protesting the LOD question as well....I had the LT finding someone to do part A

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Multiple assaults + robbery = 1 61 except if there is a sex crime also then the sex crime vic would get their own 61. So if a perp walks in a room and does a robbery with 5 vics hits 2 over the head with the pistol and sodimizes 1 it would be 2 61's. hope this helps

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CaballoRageRises wrote:

Multiple assaults + robbery = 1 61 except if there is a sex crime also then the sex crime vic would get their own 61. So if a perp walks in a room and does a robbery with 5 vics hits 2 over the head with the pistol and sodimizes 1 it would be 2 61's. hope this helps


 Exactly but these two DIDNT get robbed



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It doesn't matter how many people get robbed, if it is one incident and the only offenses are assault and robbery then it is 1 61 for robbery no matter what.  I'm all for people getting extra points but there is no way that protest is successful.



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Now one I am thinking could be successful is the off duty employment question. Unless I'm remembering wrong it stated the "correct" answer was to be a security guard at a market licensed by the SLA for off premise consumption. Now one part of the procedure says you can be employed at that type of location, however guarding a licensed premise is specifically prohibited elsewhere in the procedure. To me this can be protested as no correct answers because nowhere in the procedure does it define a licensed premise, so I don't think you can say you are wrong to state that a premise that possesses a license from the SLA is a "licensed premise".

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Now one I am thinking could be successful is the off duty employment question. Unless I'm remembering wrong it stated the "correct" answer was to be a security guard at a market licensed by the SLA for off premise consumption. Now one part of the procedure says you can be employed at that type of location, however guarding a licensed premise is specifically prohibited elsewhere in the procedure. To me this can be protested as no correct answers because nowhere in the procedure does it define a licensed premise, so I don't think you can say you are wrong to state that a premise that possesses a license from the SLA is a "licensed premise".


That was my line of thinking. But, with "most correct", it kind of protects DCAS. If D was definitely 100% unauthorized, then it mitigates the fact that the license premise gig "may" have been unauthorized. I'll give it a shot at protest since I know I got it wrong, but I truly think it's a long shot. 



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I might be in the minority, but is it possible to protest the department vehicle collision question on the grounds that serious physical injury is not defined in 217-06 in regards to a broken leg. I know in 221-03 spi is specificaly defined, but in 217-06 it just states spi to anyone in which the co/D.C. would do the paperwork

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i'm with u



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I might be in the minority, but is it possible to protest the department vehicle collision question on the grounds that serious physical injury is not defined in 217-06 in regards to a broken leg. I know in 221-03 spi is specificaly defined, but in 217-06 it just states spi to anyone in which the co/D.C. would do the paperwork


 i'm with u 



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I might be in the minority, but is it possible to protest the department vehicle collision question on the grounds that serious physical injury is not defined in 217-06 in regards to a broken leg. I know in 221-03 spi is specificaly defined, but in 217-06 it just states spi to anyone in which the co/D.C. would do the paperwork


 i'm with u 


 Are you serious ?



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lol ridiculous.

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no



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lol ridiculous.


 They can't be serious mannnnnn smh,....lmaooo



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lol ridiculous.


 They can't be serious mannnnnn smh,....lmaooo


 It's a gentler kinder department bro, what do you expect LOL

Let's protest every question because everyone deserves to pass



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lol ridiculous.


 They can't be serious mannnnnn smh,....lmaooo


 im sure he didn't go to class. Next time pay for rising star class elite or key all the instructors gave examples of what is spi. Stop it



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The uber driver didnt get robbed?



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Lmaaooooo that's right ,...good point there kid!



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lol ridiculous.


 They can't be serious mannnnnn smh,....lmaooo


 im sure he didn't go to class. Next time pay for rising star class elite or key all the instructors gave examples of what is spi. Stop it


 Agree,....just unreal what you read on here man,..smh



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Now one I am thinking could be successful is the off duty employment question. Unless I'm remembering wrong it stated the "correct" answer was to be a security guard at a market licensed by the SLA for off premise consumption. Now one part of the procedure says you can be employed at that type of location, however guarding a licensed premise is specifically prohibited elsewhere in the procedure. To me this can be protested as no correct answers because nowhere in the procedure does it define a licensed premise, so I don't think you can say you are wrong to state that a premise that possesses a license from the SLA is a "licensed premise".


 If the question stem locked you in by that particular procedure then you have to answer accordingly and forget whatever it says otherwise in other parts of patrol guide



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Speaking of incidental situations... Snatching purse by force is Rob3 then how come everyone swears correct answer choice is Assault 2

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Speaking of incidental situations... Snatching purse by force is Rob3 then how come everyone swears correct answer choice is Assault 2


 Snatching the purse is Grand Larceny . causi Pi to a 3rd party in a commission of A felony  is assault 2 for the guy that fell down. 2 different 61s. They only asked about the guy that fell down.



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Was D, 'owned by his sgt' or 'owned by a sgt' or 'owed by a Sgt in his command'?

because the legal definition of a licensed premise is any business that sells alcohol or tobacco for retail or consumption on premise. So a supermarket selling beer is a licensed premise by that definition and we are not allowed to be security guards at a licensed premise. The patrol guide however does not define a licensed premise....but ny.sla.gov does.



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Speaking of incidental situations... Snatching purse by force is Rob3 then how come everyone swears correct answer choice is Assault 2


 Read the complaint reference guide. That was not a continuous event but a reference guide question. it has the same example on there



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Was D, 'owned by his sgt' or 'owned by a sgt' or 'owed by a Sgt in his command'?

because the legal definition of a licensed premise is any business that sells alcohol or tobacco for retail or consumption on premise. So a supermarket selling beer is a licensed premise by that definition and we are not allowed to be security guards at a licensed premise. The patrol guide however does not define a licensed premise....but ny.sla.gov does.


I see what you're saying, but thats kind of stretching it, especially because it states you can work in a supermarket that sells beer in the patrol guide.



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