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Does anyone feel confident enough with remembering the test to break down a majority of he questions, i feel like if someone was able to do that it would save a lot of people the grief of waiting 5 more weeks



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People who thought they failed, will pass.

People who thought the test was straight forward, will fail.

The reason I say this is because we're judging our answers from the next man, not realizing there's different versions of the exam...

We all know THE JOB had to address the cheating issue, let alone any issue that makes the newspapers.

My assumption- THE JOB and DCAS came up with a plan on how to manipulate the questions so that the exams would be different from each other, but not to the point we can sue for unfairness.



-- Edited by bignutz88 on Monday 27th of February 2017 12:34:49 PM

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I don't think the exams were different, people are just misremembering or confusing the test with practice questions they took right before. The shooter on the NYCHA roof is a good example of that; it was part of the last Key rewrite.

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I don't think the exams were different, people are just misremembering or confusing the test with practice questions they took right before. The shooter on the NYCHA roof is a good example of that; it was part of the last Key rewrite.


I hear ya.

and to go further, i dont think every question was different, I think only certain ones. Def the question about the aided in the in basket and the location of the school on the map, which affected wlthe route you took.



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I don't believe there was different exams people. Here's my reasoning. They have no way to know what "version" you took. Did any of you write something on your scantron that would have differentiated your exam from someone else's?

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I don't believe there was different exams people. Here's my reasoning. They have no way to know what "version" you took.


 yes they can. By your seat number.

 

edit: I hope im wrong, but anyway, it seems theres more confusion than resolution and I dont think thats an accident. 

 

Further, I think the only valid protest questions we have thus far are the ones from bird and five10









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I don't believe there was different exams people. Here's my reasoning. They have no way to know what "version" you took. Did any of you write something on your scantron that would have differentiated your exam from someone else's?


 yes they can. By your seat number.

 

edit: I hope im wrong, but anyway, it seems theres more confusion than resolution and I dont think thats an accident. 

 

Further, I think the only valid protest questions we have thus far are the ones from bird and five10






-- Edited by bignutz88 on Monday 27th of February 2017 01:05:42 PM


 Absolutely not. When you sat down was the exam book already at your seat or did they pass them out after the first bell. Our proctor handed them out after the bell so there no way to know which book went to which seat. The only way to distinguish would be to match the test book to the scantron afterwards ( you put your name on the books) but this would have to be done by DCAS on over 11,000 tests. Highly doubtful, and the chance for an error is to great. Plus not only that different versions of an exam make for different difficulties which is grounds for a possible throwing out of exam. 



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^^^ your absolutely right.

All I know is this sub-forum was created and theres still no resolution or an agreement in regards to protest questions.

Its like living in an alternate reality. I thought I read "this" but it was really "that". lol..

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Here's the problem. I'll use me as an example. I studied for approx 12 months. The last three weeks was a super cram for me. I went to the Key Classes and signed up for rising star too (for the questions, and btw those were f'n ridiculously hard) I came out of that exam like I just went 12 rounds with Tyson and I somehow lived.  My memory sucks, I can't remember shyte, thank god for activity logs.  So from what I tried to committ to memory before the exam while studying, there was no room after a mentally exhausting exam to remember any of the questions. I remember bits and parts but not a whole question and answer set and definetly any nuances of the question. And I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the people who took this exam are in the same boat. 



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Here's the problem. I'll use me as an example. I studied for approx 12 months. The last three weeks was a super cram for me. I went to the Key Classes and signed up for rising star too (for the questions, and btw those were f'n ridiculously hard) I came out of that exam like I just went 12 rounds with Tyson and I somehow lived.  My memory sucks, I can't remember shyte, thank god for activity logs.  So from what I tried to committ to memory before the exam while studying, there was no room after a mentally exhausting exam to remember any of the questions. I remember bits and parts but not a whole question and answer set and definetly any nuances of the question. And I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the people who took this exam are in the same boat. 


 I felt the same way bro. May I ask you a question, did you study and/or have the same problem last tests you took?



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I'm at about 50 so far, but don't know anyone to rewrite it.

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Yes that would be your name, tax number, social security number, exam number, seat number that we had to write in each of the packets and scantron that we received. 



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Yes that would be your name, tax number, social security number, exam number, seat number that we had to write in each of the packets and scantron that we received. 


 First of all there was no tax number spot, and secondly those other things are standard on every test. And thirdly are you then gonna trust a DCAS employee to match up every test book to every scantron and make sure the proper the proper "version" was imputed into the computer when it scans your scantron to make sure it has the right exam? If they wanted different versions of the test there is more simpler ways to do it. 



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Here's the problem. I'll use me as an example. I studied for approx 12 months. The last three weeks was a super cram for me. I went to the Key Classes and signed up for rising star too (for the questions, and btw those were f'n ridiculously hard) I came out of that exam like I just went 12 rounds with Tyson and I somehow lived.  My memory sucks, I can't remember shyte, thank god for activity logs.  So from what I tried to committ to memory before the exam while studying, there was no room after a mentally exhausting exam to remember any of the questions. I remember bits and parts but not a whole question and answer set and definetly any nuances of the question. And I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the people who took this exam are in the same boat. 


 I felt the same way bro. May I ask you a question, did you study and/or have the same problem last tests you took?


 First test was 2011, I barely studied I got a 55. Second time (2013) I was on the conditions team had ample time to study, no children, steady days off. I went to the Key classes (most of them) listen to thier audio files. Basically I half assed it. Got a 65. What bothers me the most from that exam was it wasn't a particular hard exam. I even answered all 130 in about 4 hours. I just think personally if a different 30 questions were graded i might have passed. This test I Have two kids, and one on the way, very limited time to study, but I found it. Went back to Patrol and went to all the key classes and signed up for RS. I wouldn't say this was a difficult exam, nor easy. Just detail oriented. This InBasket though was the hardest of the 3 and I love doing InBaskets bc I see them as puzzles that just need some solving. This was the only one of the three I felt drained afterwards. 



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Here's the problem. I'll use me as an example. I studied for approx 12 months. The last three weeks was a super cram for me. I went to the Key Classes and signed up for rising star too (for the questions, and btw those were f'n ridiculously hard) I came out of that exam like I just went 12 rounds with Tyson and I somehow lived.  My memory sucks, I can't remember shyte, thank god for activity logs.  So from what I tried to committ to memory before the exam while studying, there was no room after a mentally exhausting exam to remember any of the questions. I remember bits and parts but not a whole question and answer set and definetly any nuances of the question. And I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the people who took this exam are in the same boat. 


 I felt the same way bro. May I ask you a question, did you study and/or have the same problem last tests you took?


 First test was 2011, I barely studied I got a 55. Second time (2013) I was on the conditions team had ample time to study, no children, steady days off. I went to the Key classes (most of them) listen to thier audio files. Basically I half assed it. Got a 65. What bothers me the most from that exam was it wasn't a particular hard exam. I even answered all 130 in about 4 hours. I just think personally if a different 30 questions were graded i might have passed. This test I Have two kids, and one on the way, very limited time to study, but I found it. Went back to Patrol and went to all the key classes and signed up for RS. I wouldn't say this was a difficult exam, nor easy. Just detail oriented. This InBasket though was the hardest of the 3 and I love doing InBaskets bc I see them as puzzles that just need some solving. This was the only one of the three I felt drained afterwards. 


 10-4. The reason I asked is because while reading the questions, I was so overwhelmed, it felt like I was reading stuff for the first time. I had to walk away from the exam and come back. And when I got to the in-basket, FORGET AGOUT IT.. I almost had a nervous break down LOL..



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bignutz88 wrote:
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Here's the problem. I'll use me as an example. I studied for approx 12 months. The last three weeks was a super cram for me. I went to the Key Classes and signed up for rising star too (for the questions, and btw those were f'n ridiculously hard) I came out of that exam like I just went 12 rounds with Tyson and I somehow lived.  My memory sucks, I can't remember shyte, thank god for activity logs.  So from what I tried to committ to memory before the exam while studying, there was no room after a mentally exhausting exam to remember any of the questions. I remember bits and parts but not a whole question and answer set and definetly any nuances of the question. And I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the people who took this exam are in the same boat. 


 I felt the same way bro. May I ask you a question, did you study and/or have the same problem last tests you took?


 First test was 2011, I barely studied I got a 55. Second time (2013) I was on the conditions team had ample time to study, no children, steady days off. I went to the Key classes (most of them) listen to thier audio files. Basically I half assed it. Got a 65. What bothers me the most from that exam was it wasn't a particular hard exam. I even answered all 130 in about 4 hours. I just think personally if a different 30 questions were graded i might have passed. This test I Have two kids, and one on the way, very limited time to study, but I found it. Went back to Patrol and went to all the key classes and signed up for RS. I wouldn't say this was a difficult exam, nor easy. Just detail oriented. This InBasket though was the hardest of the 3 and I love doing InBaskets bc I see them as puzzles that just need some solving. This was the only one of the three I felt drained afterwards. 


 10-4. The reason I asked is because while reading the questions, I was so overwhelmed, it felt like I was reading stuff for the first time. I had to walk away from the exam and come back. And when I got to the in-basket, FORGET AGOUT IT.. I almost had a nervous break down LOL..


Hell, I was so out of it after this exam I forgot to grab the protest request sheet on my way out. Now I'm trying to call DCAS to see if I can still attend, but ofcourse thier one line is busy. So if any of you guys are calling, please hang up. 



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The people that wrote this exam went the opposite direction from the questions and the layout from the practice questions 



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Exactly I know of atleast two things that deviated from previous exams that I took.

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Instead of going crazy on here we should all meet up at a Starbucks/Library right before the protest and put down questions to bring up.

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**** Starbucks, we're cops. See you at Dunkin Donuts

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**** Starbucks, we're cops. See you at Dunkin Donuts


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Lmfao!!!!

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**** Starbucks, we're cops. See you at Dunkin Donuts


 Not only are we cops, we are New York City cops. See you at the corner bodega 


I wish I had Starbucks and Dunkin's in my command. BODEGA IT IS...



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At this point we need a good laugh

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Can someone with prior experience and knowledge of going to protest please answer this question ...

Is it true that even though a word is missing from a sentence (which supposably happened on a prior exam) is not enough grounds to throw out a question? I asked one of my buddy's who's been to a few protest and he told me it wasn't going to be enough. Same goes for the misclassification of the 212 and 221.

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Guys, the LLB question on the inbasket on whether pulling out the guy was proper or improper. What was the answer on that one ? There were 2 "propers" which one was the correct one ?

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Also, what did people pick for "how many foot posts left" ? Or however they worded it ?

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I think 3 or 4 posts. I picked one of the improper. They ripped the passenger out and from there the found the gun. Totally guessed it. I was thinking fruits of a poisonous tree.

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Can someone with prior experience and knowledge of going to protest please answer this question ...

Is it true that even though a word is missing from a sentence (which supposably happened on a prior exam) is not enough grounds to throw out a question? I asked one of my buddy's who's been to a few protest and he told me it wasn't going to be enough. Same goes for the misclassification of the 212 and 221.


 As long as it doesn't alter the stem of the question to which that word is vitaly important. That's why DCAS uses most correct instead of correct. By using most correct one of the 4 choices are correct even if it's not word for word out of the PG. Really hard to challenge questions to get thrown out. A little bit easier for a question to have multiple answers instead. 



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I think 3 or 4 posts. I picked one of the improper. They ripped the passenger out and from there the found the gun. Totally guessed it. I was thinking fruits of a poisonous tree.


 It's proper and the gun was good because it was in plain view. You can remove all occupants of a vehicle on a car stop.



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I remember choosing proper but dont remember which one. I think one of the propers didnt make much sense to me so I chose the other. Anyone remember what both "propers" said ?

Also, does anyone recall if one of the 3 mos listed on the transport question (2 of them listed 3 mos) included that guy turner ?
Who got his tour change request denied ?

Trying to figure out my in basket answers because I totally bombed this brutal in basket. I panicked badly.

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Hell, I was so out of it after this exam I forgot to grab the protest request sheet on my way out. Now I'm trying to call DCAS to see if I can still attend, but ofcourse thier one line is busy. So if any of you guys are calling, please hang up. 


You can do it in person that's what I did. 



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When's the last day to have the protest paperwork postmarked?

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Nicholasjames65 wrote:

Can someone with prior experience and knowledge of going to protest please answer this question ...

Is it true that even though a word is missing from a sentence (which supposably happened on a prior exam) is not enough grounds to throw out a question? I asked one of my buddy's who's been to a few protest and he told me it wasn't going to be enough. Same goes for the misclassification of the 212 and 221.


 Unfortunately this is true. It wasn't just a word but a few words and the wrong verb making the question unintelligible. I think the reasoning they gave at the protest was that all the answer choices were consistent with the procedure. Bulls**t in my opinion but that is life with DCAS. 



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Guys please don't discuss anything this is still an open forum. IAB still in here.

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Stop with the IAB stuff.... Annoying A.F

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Guys please don't discuss anything this is still an open forum. IAB still in here.


 Just dont post anything. You will be fine.



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Can someone with prior experience and knowledge of going to protest please answer this question ...

Is it true that even though a word is missing from a sentence (which supposably happened on a prior exam) is not enough grounds to throw out a question? I asked one of my buddy's who's been to a few protest and he told me it wasn't going to be enough. Same goes for the misclassification of the 212 and 221.


 Unfortunately this is true. It wasn't just a word but a few words and the wrong verb making the question unintelligible. I think the reasoning they gave at the protest was that all the answer choices were consistent with the procedure. Bulls**t in my opinion but that is life with DCAS. 


 But in this case you don't know what they're asking. "What is most" what? I'm sure we'll need another lawsuit to get any questions tossed because DCAS.

The delay starting the test at every site from 2-3 hours may be something to look at for a lawsuit. The notice said 1000, to then start at some places as late as 1300. How is that acceptable? What if someone had to pick up their kids after the test. Even if they gave a 2 hour buffer they'd still be rushing through the test, thus having their score impacted by DCAS's incompetence.



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that's why this is the first test you can write in your booklet with highlighters and pens and they don't care this is also why your booklet gets filed with your scantron and yes to avoid a lawsuit DCas would go through the trouble of making different versions of the test



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Guys, the LLB question on the inbasket on whether pulling out the guy was proper or improper. What was the answer on that one ? There were 2 "propers" which one was the correct one ?


 people v Robinson....only because I memorized that LBB because I think it is important to know on the street, that being said WE can pull all people out of the car for any car stop no matter if it is a minor equipment violation or moving violation making the finding of a gun proper



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people v. robinson thanks for the clarification.

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Take it for what its worth, but over the years most cops that studied hard and think they failed usually do well or at least pass... particularly if they constantly talk a about the same two or three questions.  This is because they picked up the tricks on the other questions and frustrated over just a couple.   Just about everyone that says the test is straight forward or easy usually fails or doesn't score a 90... maybe a 70 something.  This is because they didn't pick up any of the tricks.  By all means there are exceptions to this, just what I've personally observed. 



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I just signed up.....I thought the test was fair mostly and the In-Basket was brutal.what did you guys put for force figure and posts? I remember the questions which I think I had trouble with..AND if you guys wants to discuss PM me. 



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I don't believe there was different exams people. Here's my reasoning. They have no way to know what "version" you took. Did any of you write something on your scantron that would have differentiated your exam from someone else's?


 yes they can. By your seat number.

 

edit: I hope im wrong, but anyway, it seems theres more confusion than resolution and I dont think thats an accident. 

 

Further, I think the only valid protest questions we have thus far are the ones from bird and five10






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 Absolutely not. When you sat down was the exam book already at your seat or did they pass them out after the first bell. Our proctor handed them out after the bell so there no way to know which book went to which seat. The only way to distinguish would be to match the test book to the scantron afterwards ( you put your name on the books) but this would have to be done by DCAS on over 11,000 tests. Highly doubtful, and the chance for an error is to great. Plus not only that different versions of an exam make for different difficulties which is grounds for a possible throwing out of exam. 


 Who's scantron went west to east vs north to south. Mine we from left to right my partners didn't 



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I don't believe there was different exams people. Here's my reasoning. They have no way to know what "version" you took. Did any of you write something on your scantron that would have differentiated your exam from someone else's?


 yes they can. By your seat number.

 

edit: I hope im wrong, but anyway, it seems theres more confusion than resolution and I dont think thats an accident. 

 

Further, I think the only valid protest questions we have thus far are the ones from bird and five10






-- Edited by bignutz88 on Monday 27th of February 2017 01:05:42 PM


 Absolutely not. When you sat down was the exam book already at your seat or did they pass them out after the first bell. Our proctor handed them out after the bell so there no way to know which book went to which seat. The only way to distinguish would be to match the test book to the scantron afterwards ( you put your name on the books) but this would have to be done by DCAS on over 11,000 tests. Highly doubtful, and the chance for an error is to great. Plus not only that different versions of an exam make for different difficulties which is grounds for a possible throwing out of exam. 


 Who's scantron went west to east vs north to south. Mine we from left to right my partners didn't 


 That's in order to try and quell cheating (wondering eyes) or someone just wasn't paying attention to the scantron 



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you guys need to head over the other forum in this one.......apparently the DCAS commissioner is having a meeting this week in regards to the test

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