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"The key" once again pretends to have inside info and is completely full of it.  They posted a message to their Facebook page two days ago saying that a finest message for an October captains test was officially out!  Does anyone remember the "wink wink" "little birdie" from the 2015 LT. course?  What is wrong with these clowns? Anyone who takes their course or trusts them is foolish.  Maybe it's just me though...  thoughts?  Anyone?



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I've used the key twice successfully, although I'm leaning toward Elite this time. I don't like the fact that all the schools are trying to give us a Lts course with an additional 8-12 week cram at the end and call it a captains course. 



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Here is what they have on their FB page:

CAPTAIN CANDIDATES PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST TO HELP CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION:

DCAS has announced a Captain's test for October 2017, (exam #7544 with filing opening up on May 3, 2017). We have a 28 week course for Captain candidates. This class includes 20 weeks of instruction at the Lieutenant's course and 8 weeks of Captain-only material.Each week, you'll receive packets containing ALL relevant material (INCLUDING CAPTAIN'S DUTIES AND PROCEDURES), and there will be an online video class explaining the Captain's duties for that week. After the 20 weeks is up, there will be an 8 week Captain's-only class.You can sign up now for our class online. We have the best instructors and the best value for all candidates. Sign up now and get a free hard copy of The Key's Administrative Guide digest. Also, get an early start on studying by joining our Sergeant's cram courses free of charge when you sign up for a season ticket.

They may have some insight, they were on the money with the new date for the upcoming Sergeant exam. Just saying.

All schools are in the business to help people succeed and of course making money comes with the territory.

 
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Here is what they have on their FB page:

CAPTAIN CANDIDATES PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST TO HELP CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION:

DCAS has announced a Captain's test for October 2017, (exam #7544 with filing opening up on May 3, 2017). We have a 28 week course for Captain candidates. This class includes 20 weeks of instruction at the Lieutenant's course and 8 weeks of Captain-only material.Each week, you'll receive packets containing ALL relevant material (INCLUDING CAPTAIN'S DUTIES AND PROCEDURES), and there will be an online video class explaining the Captain's duties for that week. After the 20 weeks is up, there will be an 8 week Captain's-only class.You can sign up now for our class online. We have the best instructors and the best value for all candidate


 This is huge!! Now let's see if Elite will distribute WEEKLY packets containing captain's duties and procedures. In additional provide weekly ONLINE Videos explaining such captains procedures.



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Lol! So now they're doing damage control. I can just imagine the quality of these "nuisance" packets. They should have done this in the beggining. Instead they showed their true intentions by trying to fleece us. It wasn't until after we all complained that they decided yeah, we'll throw this in too to shut you up.

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Here is what they have on their FB page:

CAPTAIN CANDIDATES PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST TO HELP CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION:

DCAS has announced a Captain's test for October 2017, (exam #7544 with filing opening up on May 3, 2017). We have a 28 week course for Captain candidates. This class includes 20 weeks of instruction at the Lieutenant's course and 8 weeks of Captain-only material.Each week, you'll receive packets containing ALL relevant material (INCLUDING CAPTAIN'S DUTIES AND PROCEDURES), and there will be an online video class explaining the Captain's duties for that week. After the 20 weeks is up, there will be an 8 week Captain's-only class.You can sign up now for our class online. We have the best instructors and the best value for all candidate


 This is huge!! Now let's see if Elite will distribute WEEKLY packets containing captain's duties and procedures. In additional provide weekly ONLINE Videos explaining such captains procedures.


 It does not appear to be the case... 



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I honestly have no skin in this game anymore, I passed all the tests including Captain with very good scores. I used the Key classes for both the Lt and Capt test ALONG with the Rising Star material through the mail (they weren't doing live classes yet) and found that worked for me. I have nothing bad to say about either school, I really think all the schools are pretty even, you just have to go to one of them, its hard to do it on your own or strictly through the home courses. Just my advice, good luck all.

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"The key" once again pretends to have inside info and is completely full of it.  They posted a message to their Facebook page two days ago saying that a finest message for an October captains test was officially out!  Does anyone remember the "wink wink" "little birdie" from the 2015 LT. course?  What is wrong with these clowns? Anyone who takes their course or trusts them is foolish.  Maybe it's just me though...  thoughts?  Anyone?


 DCAS did announce a captain's test. They aren't wrong.

 



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woukd anyone be kind enough to post an image or link to where Dcas announced the next captain's exam?? Thank you in advance!

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A birdie flew by and told them just like the 4 CIMS questions guaranteed to be on the 2015 LT exam that weren't there.  The only solid info I've seen is the May filing date on the DCAS website....  they also deleted their original post that said a "finest message came out" which did not occur at all.



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woukd anyone be kind enough to post an image or link to where Dcas announced the next captain's exam?? Thank you in advance!


 This was printed from the DCAS website.

Excuse the pen mark. My kid got to it.



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Yes, that's an image of the filing period, but there has not been an official announcement with the date of the test as far as I can tell.



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Thanka for posting that image, But I am with caracazo. I have yet to dcas announce the exam date.



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The Key is now offering a dedicated Captains course, with classes every other week, starting Feb.28.
Although they only have the one Nassau location.

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The Key needs to add a Brooklyn location.  This is an exam for the New York City Police Department and you're going to have the only location be out on Long Island?



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How about just one centralized location ,1pp

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They key stepped up its game. Stop complaining about where the class is going to be. Stop being cheap and buy the mailing option for an Xtra $150 and watch the class online. That comes out to 1.5 hours of overtime!

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My own personal opinion.... Take RS for the essential guide and the 6 month structure, then Yanos 8 to 12 week course if you feel you need it.  You get the best of both worlds. You get structure, and a live captain class if needed. 



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I think for a capt course 1 class should be suffice if you are motivated. RS offers the most bang for your buck and their course looks great thus far. However I agree with Bigfoot if you feel you need the extra support you can always take elite towards the end.

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Yes, the Key definitely needs a city location.  If I'm paying, I want to be able to attend the classes.  They'll lose a lot of business by just having a Long Island class.



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My own personal opinion.... Take RS for the essential guide and the 6 month structure, then Yanos 8 to 12 week course if you feel you need it.  You get the best of both worlds. You get structure, and a live captain class if needed. 


 And the questions!



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I'm going with the key (as in 2 previous tests). There are the only ones who have live class dedicated for captains. Location of the class is a bit far from me, but I'll be watching video's online.

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I'm going with the key (as in 2 previous tests). There are the only ones who have live class dedicated for captains. Location of the class is a bit far from me, but I'll be watching video's online.


they have live classes,,,, but they read off the packet... I don't think it makes a difference that they have live classes

 



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They key stepped up its game. Stop complaining about where the class is going to be. Stop being cheap and buy the mailing option for an Xtra $150 and watch the class online. That comes out to 1.5 hours of overtime!


 Yes they stepped up their game by handing out loose leaf law patrol guides to people taking the LT class that are updated to July 2016. The Key will soon go the way of Fast track.



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Gdassclub is Ralph C from the Key. He's not a bad guy but it's obviously him.
x2 on the severely outdated patrol guide the key is handing out. They should really stick to the one price model. All these up sells are really turning people off. $695 for the capt class. Want a patrol guide? $740. Need that mailed? $840. Want the app? That'll cost you even more...they want to squeeze out over 1k by the time they're done with you.

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The mini PG that the Key provides comes directly from the company who makes it, Looseleaf Law. That company updates the guide twice a year; it's been that way for the last 12 years. And as far as the app goes, Fineology makes the app for the Key and the downloads come directly from the Google Play store and the Apple store. My opinion, you don't want it, don't buy it. 



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Not a captains student here (I'm studying for lieutenants) so hopefully I'm not out of line... but why does the Key charge so much money for what seems to be very little? If you do study at home they treat you like a second class citizen. Like you're bothering them or something. Rising Star mails it out no problem with no extra charge. Makes me curious to know what the schools overhead is

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I've gotten quite a few IMs the last 24 hours asking about our program. So I'm not answering emails/IMs one-by-one, here are answers to your FAQ:

Here is a link to our sample material
www.risingstarpromotion.com/samplelesson.html

It's for lieutenant, but we will be doing the same thing for Captain. Our lessons are word-for-word from the actual Patrol Guide, just edited to give you what you need. We do this to give you confidence in what you are studying--you knowing that what is in front of you is word-for-word the patrol guide and not someone's interpretation of what they think it says. Our take on the PG are in "takeaway" boxes at the bottom of the procedure or notes right after the steps.
The material is designed to go along with our questions. Our questions need no introduction--Tony and I take pride in the fact that YOU all think it is the best out there. They have only gotten better.

Now that I'm retired we are ready to take Rising Star to the next level: we are overhauled our curriculum, honed our instruction skills, researched the best method to ensure maximum retention, and much more. Our only regret is that as Captain students this is the last time you will be studying with us; but if you are happy with our material please spread the word and let others know.



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Gdassclub is Ralph C from the Key. He's not a bad guy but it's obviously him.
x2 on the severely outdated patrol guide the key is handing out. They should really stick to the one price model. All these up sells are really turning people off. $695 for the capt class. Want a patrol guide? $740. Need that mailed? $840. Want the app? That'll cost you even more...they want to squeeze out over 1k by the time they're done with you.


The other schools are building mailing costs in for students who don't have it mailed out. Don't think the other schools are mailing it out from the kindness of their hearts.



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Gdassclub is Ralph C from the Key. He's not a bad guy but it's obviously him.
x2 on the severely outdated patrol guide the key is handing out. They should really stick to the one price model. All these up sells are really turning people off. $695 for the capt class. Want a patrol guide? $740. Need that mailed? $840. Want the app? That'll cost you even more...they want to squeeze out over 1k by the time they're done with you.


The other schools are building mailing costs in for students who don't have it mailed out. Don't think the other schools are mailing it out from the kindness of their hearts.


 Rising Star is able to do it cheaper because EZE has a bunch of Filipinos chained to his basement stuffing envelopes! lol 

Just kidding!...kind of



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When is essential guide getting shipped?

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The mini PG that the Key provides comes directly from the company who makes it, Looseleaf Law. That company updates the guide twice a year; it's been that way for the last 12 years. And as far as the app goes, Fineology makes the app for the Key and the downloads come directly from the Google Play store and the Apple store. My opinion, you don't want it, don't buy it. 


 I personally don't care but my counterparts are assuming they are getting an up to date patrol guide until the look at it.  The essential guide is great as is the Elite guide. For the money they charge and for what their competition presents they can't and clearly don't want to keep up.  They are charging an exorbitant amount of money and for that you should get more as a student. 



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The key students don't need to read any type of "guide" to pass a promotional. That's why the key doesn't provide there students with the patrol guide. There "key" to passing a promotional is the packets.

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The key students don't need to read any type of "guide" to pass a promotional. That's why the key doesn't provide there students with the patrol guide. There "key" to passing a promotional is the packets.


 Lol! I haven't heard a single good word about the key from the sergeants who took the last lieutenants test. the Key had a near 100% failure rate. Lol. Something about a little birdie that was wayyyy of the mark. Lol



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Every school had nearly 100% failure rate. Remember only 164 passed out of 2500. The key packets had everything in it to pass the 15 Lt. Exam. The reason for the failure rate is test taking ability. The school's can't teach that. Either you have the ability or you don't.

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Every school had nearly 100% failure rate. Remember only 164 passed out of 2500. The key packets had everything in it to pass the 15 Lt. Exam. The reason for the failure rate is test taking ability. The school's can't teach that. Either you have the ability or you don't.


 Ralph, I have no problem with you and the other key instructors but you guys really messed up the last lieutenants test. Take it from us. The other schools, rising star especially, had a high pass rate. In my command 4 out 6 people who passed were rising star students after the list came out. I can't say the same for the key students. Elite had the other 2 out of 6.

 And as far as your assertion that schools can't teach test taking abilities you are 100% WRONG. For an instructor that's a real shame.



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Ralph, I just did a Google search and there are tons of studies that shows that you certainly can teach test taking abilities. It would serve your school well if you and your fellow instructors did some research so you can do better for students (what little you have left)

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Holy sh1t. shots fired!!!! lol
Ralph cilento from the key shilling his schools and gets taken down by a disgruntled student! lol this is gonna get good.

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Holy sh1t. shots fired!!!! lol
Ralph cilento from the key shilling his schools and gets taken down by a disgruntled student! lol this is gonna get good.


 I wasn't trying to start anything. lol. If you look at my posts I was initially trying to be supportive but the money grab just got annoying. $850 for study at home plus more for the app and you know they'll come up with more crap to sell at the end. On top of that they distributed severely outdated patrol guides. Then they have the nerve to say you don't need to read the patrol guide! wtf?  and then the statements of "this time the exam will be a ground ball" Really? Stop pretending like you know what's on this test.

And then they send ralph C. on this board to plug the key. Isn't he still a lieutenant? I mean...enough already. Stop trolling the boards and focus on your students

 



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I'm not Ralph! I'm a key student that passed 2 test. Nobody studies the same way. I take short cuts and just read the key packets and I passed 2 test. I know plenty of people that used this technique and it worked! Other students need 2 classes, read the PG 6 times, and take 5 weeks off before the exam. Whatever works for you is the right way. But you can't deny the fact the key program got a lot of mos promoted.

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I'm not Ralph! I'm a key student that passed 2 test. Nobody studies the same way. I take short cuts and just read the key packets and I passed 2 test. I know plenty of people that used this technique and it worked! Other students need 2 classes, read the PG 6 times, and take 5 weeks off before the exam. Whatever works for you is the right way. But you can't deny the fact the key program got a lot of mos promoted.


 lol! yeah, ok Ralph. We all know it's you. lol I'm done here. I really have better things to do. I really hope people do sign up for the key. At least those are people I wouldn't have to worry about.



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that's not Mike C........at least know who you're calling out by name.



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that's not Mike C........at least know who you're calling out by name.


 Ok guy.. just like Ralphie C ......Sgt2be=2015Ltexam=2015ltTest=Mike C.....And you should worry about yourself dog and let him deny just like Ralphie denied . 



-- Edited by Copper on Tuesday 31st of January 2017 06:43:44 PM

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Hold on guys, Let me go make some popcorn.

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mike doesn't  care enough anymore to argue about this nonsense.



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Those of you who received an email stating the key had to move the class to Tuesday night, not to worry about scheduling conflicts they are adding a Sunday class. Good luck to alll

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Looks like the key capt class is now on sunday morning all.

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Hopefully their super expensive class isn't filled with instructor's lies and ancient non updated packets...  I heard they hook you up with a top of the line January 2016 looseleaf law PG!biggrin



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