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Edubz · Senior Member

How many will make this list?

tensixone · Senior Member

I am not very hopeful

Edubz · Senior Member

Looks like around 350 showed up. Half didn't study at all. I say 120 passers .

richpd2 · Veteran Member

120 might be a high number.. i studied my ass off and feel like I wasted my time and money...

NYG37 · Senior Member

I'd say about half will pass. I should have studied admin guide more

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Mase14 · Veteran Member

i studied and between not recalling the easy questions and totally guessing on about 50% of the rest i say expect to see a list of 20

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

I studied from the day they announced it 4-5 hrs a day. 8-10 on RDOs and week of the test 8-10 per day. If I passed I will be lucky.

NYG37 · Senior Member

I think i scored somewhere between 60-65. I do think it was a fair test and i do think the passing will be higher than average. It might not be half but it will be at least around 120.

wereinbacklog · Guru

I studied my butt off and think I failed it. Fair test though

G Large · Newbie

I studied hard. I doubt I'll be on the good side of 70 but I can't complain about the test. Nothing tricky. Just tough, very specific questions. No WTF moments. If you passed, you deserve it.

arimaas · Veteran Member

According the RS answer key I am looking at a 68. I studied hard as well, and, without patting myself on the back, was the top of my other tests. I am not complaining, but to say it was a "fair" test I think is quite a mis-description. It might have been straight forward, as there was not too many tricks, but a fair test means someone that studied and put in their time should be able to pass. Fair is not picking obscure procedures that doesn't matter to your job, or a small point buried in an additional data section. I know a lot of smart people, who were the top of their various lists, that are looking at a borderline grade such as myself. That ladies and gentleman, is not a fair test. I know it's premature, but that's just my 2¢.

I can tell you that I will NOT study for another NYPD promotional exam. I put my time in for this one, only to get slapped in the mouth. No reason to waste my life anymore.

-- Edited by arimaas on Sunday 24th of November 2013 03:53:35 PM

arimaas · Veteran Member

Shnaggles1 wrote:
I am def one of the ones that studies pretty hard and seems to have failed also. It is disheartening but the test was very fair, just very very tough. It does sucks I didnt dig that deep into the ag, but we all know they can go anywhere. I feel punched in the gut but it is my own fault for not looki g at that stuff more. sucks !!

I don't want to get into a debate with you, because it won't help my score, but I don't think this was a fair test at all. I also don't want to be labled a crybaby either, but, you said it yourself you studied pretty hard. That means you shouldn't be in this situation. The top scorers from other exams shouldn't be looking in the 70's or less as their score. The top score on an exam should not be below 100 or close to it (not just a NYPD promotional exam, but any exam, Bar exam, college exam, etc.). Tests are not made to be impossible or to trick people. Tests are made to pass, if you put in the work. If the bar exam or medical boards were writen like NYPD promotional exams, we would not have too many doctors or lawyers. I am not saying everyone that studies should pass, however, you should be given a fair shot. Put in the time, do what you are supposed to do, have some grasp of the material, and you should be able to get by. This by far, was not a fair shot. Again, picking the most obscure things to test, and then again the most obscure things from those procedures is not away to make it pass. Yes, the test was straight forward, in that there weren't too many and/or tricks or business vs working day tricks (although there were some), but it was not fair. Fair is asking me questions related to my duties. The imporant stuff. The stuff I can't look up while I am out their in the field. That's fair.

Lable me a cry baby, as you will, but this is how I feel. I have been through a lot of academic schooling (I am not bragging, just saying). Only the NYPD promotional exams do this to their people. Again, put in your time, have a decent head on your shoulders you should be given a fair shot. Not asking some obscure one line from the bottom of a 10 page procedure. Again, just my thoughts. And if I find out tomorrow I got a 100, my attitude would not change.

-- Edited by arimaas on Sunday 24th of November 2013 08:13:10 PM

Twenty N Out · Veteran Member

List shouldn't be more than 60 or so names. Next test will be Early 2015.

stiggityone · Guru

I'm pretty confident I broke a 70 but that test was a beast. Unless a lot of protests go through...no way that list is more than 75 names long.

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

arimaas wrote:
According the RS answer key I am looking at a 68. I studied hard as well, and, without patting myself on the back, was the top of my other tests. I am not complaining, but to say it was a "fair" test I think is quite a mis-description. It might have been straight forward, as there was not too many tricks, but a fair test means someone that studied and put in their time should be able to pass. Fair is not picking obscure procedures that doesn't matter to your job, or a small point buried in an additional data section. I know a lot of smart people, who were the top of their various lists, that are looking at a borderline grade such as myself. That ladies and gentleman, is not a fair test. I know it's premature, but that's just my 2¢.
I can tell you that I will NOT study for another NYPD promotional exam. I put my time in for this one, only to get slapped in the mouth. No reason to waste my life anymore.

-- Edited by arimaas on Sunday 24th of November 2013 03:53:35 PM

I cant tell you how much I agree with you. I have been trying to say this about a "fair/not fair test" and you have said it dead on. A fair test is a test that if you study, you will pass. As far as taking another, it is not worth putting your life, you families life, everything on hold, all for nothing. Which makes it even worse is that there is not very much interest in this rank as it is. But then you get people who are genuinely interested and work their ass off studying and this is the test they got. Sucks.

1Under · Senior Member

Lew Bookman wrote:
arimaas wrote:
According the RS answer key I am looking at a 68. I studied hard as well, and, without patting myself on the back, was the top of my other tests. I am not complaining, but to say it was a "fair" test I think is quite a mis-description. It might have been straight forward, as there was not too many tricks, but a fair test means someone that studied and put in their time should be able to pass. Fair is not picking obscure procedures that doesn't matter to your job, or a small point buried in an additional data section. I know a lot of smart people, who were the top of their various lists, that are looking at a borderline grade such as myself. That ladies and gentleman, is not a fair test. I know it's premature, but that's just my 2¢.
I can tell you that I will NOT study for another NYPD promotional exam. I put my time in for this one, only to get slapped in the mouth. No reason to waste my life anymore.

-- Edited by arimaas on Sunday 24th of November 2013 03:53:35 PM
I cant tell you how much I agree with you. I have been trying to say this about a "fair/not fair test" and you have said it dead on. A fair test is a test that if you study, you will pass. As far as taking another, it is not worth putting your life, you families life, everything on hold, all for nothing. Which makes it even worse is that there is not very much interest in this rank as it is. But then you get people who are genuinely interested and work their ass off studying and this is the test they got. Sucks.

Well said men! Come to think of it you are absolutely right. Its not fair. You may not realize it but those that studied diligently spent anywhere from 700 to a thousand hrs studying if not more with class, questions, quizzes, apps and pure reading, all for a rank that we all know may not be at all that appealing especially for those of us with kids. We spend all this time away from them; a summer away from kids and wife essentially all to get knocked down and pray to get a 70. All though they did have relevant questions (Not all), it was not fair. Dont want to speak too soon but those of us that studied hard should not have walked out of K Lane feeling the way we did.

unborn · Guru

Asking an Operations Order from 2006 is not fair, and digging into minute points buried in notes and additional data is BS. I could see a few questions here and there, but the whole test was like that.

Shnaggles1 · Veteran Member

I am def one of the ones that studies pretty hard and seems to have failed also. It is disheartening but the test was very fair, just very very tough. It does sucks I didnt dig that deep into the ag, but we all know they can go anywhere. I feel punched in the gut but it is my own fault for not looki g at that stuff more. sucks !!

Bronx Party Hat · Veteran Member

You're 100% correct with your definition of what is a "fair/unfair" exam. I personally think there should be a standardize test for each rank. When the Department and/or DCAS select 4 to 5 different people to write an exam every time one is given, that process is not only "unfair" but not practical. Each test writer brings to the table their own ideas of what they believe should be on a Captain/Lieutenant/Sergeant exam, turning the test taker into a mind reader. The test taker has to hope the writers go to a procedure that they studied and studied hard because after reading more than 4000 pages and being told that the whole PG/AG is "fair game", how does someone differentiate between important and not important? I know, I know....I sound like a cry baby and there will always be people who will ace these test regardless of the type of exam that is given and God bless them, but unfortunately I am not in that category.

If a standardize test were to be given that involved specific procedures/duties directly related to the rank and was given frequently with only the top passers getting promoted, I think it would greatly improve the attitude that most people have when studying for these exams. I know that the Police Commissioner wanted to have promotional exams given every two years so that only the top scorers were getting promoted but Eric Adams shot it down for reasons you can figure out on your own. This was idea was being tossed around the time right before they changed to the 70 rule.

Well, congrats to those that passed and to all the people that drove to Yonkers every Sunday morning to attend Yano's class, I hope you did well because I don't believe I did.

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

arimaas wrote:
According the RS answer key I am looking at a 68. I studied hard as well, and, without patting myself on the back, was the top of my other tests. I am not complaining, but to say it was a "fair" test I think is quite a mis-description. It might have been straight forward, as there was not too many tricks, but a fair test means someone that studied and put in their time should be able to pass. Fair is not picking obscure procedures that doesn't matter to your job, or a small point buried in an additional data section. I know a lot of smart people, who were the top of their various lists, that are looking at a borderline grade such as myself. That ladies and gentleman, is not a fair test. I know it's premature, but that's just my 2¢.
I can tell you that I will NOT study for another NYPD promotional exam. I put my time in for this one, only to get slapped in the mouth. No reason to waste my life anymore.

-- Edited by arimaas on Sunday 24th of November 2013 03:53:35 PM

And on top of everything else, they (the Dept, DCAs) announced the test 5 months before the test date (if I remember correctly). So thats it. I have vented. Good luck everybody.

TheSonofXavier · Veteran Member

The son of Xavier agrees with his good friend arimass

unborn · Guru

TheSonofXavier wrote:
The son of Xavier agrees with his good friend arimass

He's baaaaaack!

TheSonofXavier · Veteran Member

THIS IS THE SON OF XAVIER AND YES I AM BACK! I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IN THE PAST YEAR HAS ANY CAPTAIN IN THE NYPD GIVEN A CIVILIAN CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION.

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

TheSonofXavier wrote:
THIS IS THE SON OF XAVIER AND YES I AM BACK! I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IN THE PAST YEAR HAS ANY CAPTAIN IN THE NYPD GIVEN A CIVILIAN CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION.

or how many off duty employment applications have to be reviewed to for a cop who wants to conduct wine tastings at a vineyard and give recommendations for wine with artisinal cheese.

bha78 · Senior Member

I thought the test was almost impossible to pass....how can so many actor questions be on the test....who can remember all that after memorizing every other miniscule detail...

METSIN09 · Member

I think a lot of the people who thought this was a fair test missed some very tricky undertones. I know several people I've spoken with that thought they nailed quite a few "ground balls," only to later discover they were victims of a malicous bamboozlement on the part of DCAS. They also pulled quite a few procedures straight out of the mesozoic period, hitting stuff no executive on this job would ever need their fresh-faced XO to know about. I don't want to get into it while people still might be taking tests, but this was not a straight forward or fair test.

These tests need be geared towards testing (relevant) knowledge and overall intelligence/problem solving skills. Not finding ways to play with words/procedures to trip-up someone who studied. I can think of two questions off of the top of my head where the only way you'd know the WRONG answer was if you studied your tail off.

I'll be at the protest session looking to stick it to the man and get some points back, I hope all of you will too.

HotMessBoogerCookie · Veteran Member

I studied my ass off for this damn thing and according to that rising star answer key im sitting on a 67....all that work and a 67.....I had great list numbers on the first 2 tests and i killed it studying for it this time, more so then the previous 2. At first i thought it was a fair test but now thinking about it someone who put the time i did shouldnt be in this predicament. Something is wrong....

J Man · Senior Member

Captains often get involved in prisoner transports....I remember my captain coming to central booking with me all the time

J Man · Senior Member

Amen

2boots · Veteran Member

Well you should know that these test are not about smarts for the most part .... They are about memorization

hollar · Guru

2boots suck my PG

J Man · Senior Member

2boots....this is a promotional exam designed to test your knowledge of procedure and judgement, albeit, some procedure is irrelevant, the test writers should be focused on testing the relevant procedure and judgment for the position were attempting to obtain. In this case the procedure related to being an executive officer or commander. By your logic, an ability to memorize the inconsequential qualifies you to command hundreds of men and women. The patrol guide is important but there are certain things an aspiring executive just wouldn't need to know, read, or memorize.

J Man · Senior Member

The guy or girl to command a precinct should be the guy or girl that can exercise sound judgement while following relevant procedures and law. Not the guy who has all day to spend behind his desk memorizing inconsequential information.

2boots · Veteran Member

That guy should also have "street" experience and not hide inside and study his whole short 8 year career and whine when he doesn't get a fair test ...like someone on this thread... Opps sorry bro your not going to be a 10 year capt... Why don't you learn where your handcuff pouch is first... Sorry to the others but this guy is a joke......

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Some of you guys need to quiet down with the content of some of these questions, the list will be a whole lot bigger if some people get to know what they asked going in. Without letting the cat out of the bag I was counting on Mayor's Executive Order from 1978 regarding crime, corruption, conflict of interest involving the Inspector General or Comission of Investigations, which it even says within the procedure is to be put into civil service exams, it wasn't in this one!!!

Anyway, I agree in the exam writers nitpicking at obscure irrelevant points, but as far as writing a protest on that? Thats a tall order. You have to convince DCAS that either your answer was better than their "proposed answer" or the question itself was written so poorly that it could not have a clean cut answer. The 2011 Lt exam had a lot problems, this exam did not.

This exam was just loaded with "gotcha" obscure questions. I am never taking another promotional exam, pass or fail. BTW, being a Lt is not all bad. Have you ever met a happy captain? That being said I felt I did put the work in to make the list and pass, but I am in the same boat as many on here, I am uncertain if I passed.

I failed according to the latest RS Gamblor answer key by a few points, which I could believe.

I would much rather get an exam with relevant points on it and if almost everyone passes it, you can always kill the list and only take the best scorers if too many pass. These exams that after putting months and thousands of hours of work into and just leave having no idea if you even passed are insane...

unborn · Guru

2boots wrote:
That guy should also have "street" experience and not hide inside and study his whole short 8 year career and whine when he doesn't get a fair test ...like someone on this thread... Opps sorry bro your not going to be a 10 year capt... Why don't you learn where your handcuff pouch is first... Sorry to the others but this guy is a joke......

Go back to whining about the sergeants test, guy. This thread is for the big boys.

2boots · Veteran Member

I don't know whether I laugh or cry that you have 550 something posts on this thing....obviously I struck a nerve...

Tiger · Senior Member

Sorry people. But I'm very happy this test was this hard. I'm tired of losers moving up the ranks by just getting by on these tests. Those who did well on sgt and Lt tests I hope u passed. But u losers who barely passed the sgt test and Lt test have no business even thinking of being a Captain.

hollar · Guru

Another loser making comments.... Smh

stiggityone · Guru

This list is gonna have 30 names on it. Hysterical.

NYG37 · Senior Member

You're probably right, everyone I speak to struggled with it. It will be a short list.

arimaas · Veteran Member

Tiger wrote:
Sorry people. But I'm very happy this test was this hard. I'm tired of losers moving up the ranks by just getting by on these tests. Those who did well on sgt and Lt tests I hope u passed. But u losers who barely passed the sgt test and Lt test have no business even thinking of being a Captain.

Tiger,

I agree with you 100%. I am not sure if you are referring to any of my posts when you wrote this, but don't take what I said earlier as meaning they should just hand you the rank if you show up on test day. This isn't 21st Century little league where everyone gets a trophy.

However, again, and I am not bragging, but I was the top of my last two tests, and plenty of my friends were too. They are the ones that are on this board upset. From what I gather, the studiers are the ones looking at a range between 65-78 on this exam. That's the issue I have, and I believe the issue most people have. Top scorers from other exams should not be looking at numbers like that. You are 100% correct. People that just squeaked by a LT or SGT exam have no business on this list. But I am pretty sure most people are angry because they aren't those people. They are the studiers and the top of the other lists. You could have given a fair and hard test to weed out those people without doing what they did. The test writers were lazy and went to minutia. Anyone who changes the actors three times in the answer choices just to get three wrong answers is lazy. That's not a good question. Remembering the distribution of forms is not a good question. And lastly, without giving away a question, asking a police lab duty on a PCT CO/XO (that's the test we took, right?) is not fair. Yes, I sound like a crybaby, but I'd bet a lot of people agree with me.

stiggityone · Guru

You kinda do bro.

arimaas · Veteran Member

stiggityone wrote:
You kinda do bro.

That's fine, and I know I do. But you know what, after giving up 6 plus months of my life, I have valid points, and again, would bet most people agree with me.

Happy Thanksgiving.

hollar · Guru

Stiggit ur a dick

stiggityone · Guru

Lmao....hahahahahahahahahaha . I'm ****ing with him hollar...relax. I know this sucks but put it in perspective , it's a multiple choice test. It's not life or death. Pass or fail we still have our families...still have damn good jobs. It's over and done with...nothing we can do about it now. And besides...at this rate they'll be a test next year.

J Man · Senior Member

2boots...I have done more on this job in my eight years than you could hope to do in 50. Beat it, this post is for the guys wearing white.

2boots · Veteran Member

Amaas a little sense of entitlement no? Considering you just got promoted to Lt a few months ago... And is assigned to one of the nicest pcts in the city... Be thankful for what u have! It is thanksgiving anyway!

Princessleia · Member

Yea happy thanksgiving ... New here ... Spreadsheet saying I got most likely 68 lol.... Ohhhhhh well ... Good luck to everyone. See you at the protest...

Princessleia · Member

I studied a lot ... But it's not an end all for me ..... I have so much to be thankful for .... Don't let this job consume your lives....