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PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

RE: whats the chances of this list being cut

EDAYKING · Senior Member

Bro, I would not waste my time with these "Clowns". These are the same losers that said the 2011 test will be thrown out, every single month is a down month, the list will be cut at 300 names and all these statements are confirmed..... Do I need to go on.

Semp1 · Guru

Nope ...well said.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Where did I say any of that? I am actually posting facts. But with that being said, I have no inside info on this list being cut, a promotion slowdown, or another exam being given in 2013 or 2014.

In the 2000's there were 7 Sgt Exams given in the decade, 3 were cut short that had large lists. We only have 1 so far in this decade, so time will tell...

brat4914 · Guru

never happen

Semp1 · Guru

Thank you brat can you please specify what never happened for the Trolls.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Hey if Brat has inside info, which she has shown to be extremely reliable on these boards, fine. I will believe her. But Semp1, if you are saying what I wrote "never happened" or calling me a troll, well everything I wrote is 100% true when it comes to the last 7 exams. 3 with similar list sizes were cut short by newer exams and none lasted the full 4 years. 100% true...

brat4914 · Guru

all i am saying is that THIS list will never be cut

queensfinest · Senior Member

DUDE DID YOU PASS THIS test.I FEEL LIKE YOU FAILED IT AND YOUR JUST UPSET.

On Point Info · Senior Member

Here are some facts regarding prior Sergeants list, not sure which were cut if any:

February 9, 2002: 2135 on the list
December 13, 2003: 1729 on the list
January 21, 2006: 633 on the list (first test with 70 passing grade)
February 3, 2007: 339 on the list
January 26, 2008: 671 on the list
February 7, 2009: 781 on the list
October 15, 2011: 1663 on the list

Lieutenant stats:

May 22, 1999: 1058 on the list
May 31, 2003: 1074 on the list
November 18, 2006: 1295 on the list (first test with 70 passing grade)
October 25, 2011: 661 on the list

-- Edited by On Point Info on Sunday 21st of October 2012 07:07:45 PM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Dude, I got you beat by 2 ranks already, I am actually just giving my expertise in my obviously longer career than yours queensfinest. I am not wishing people die on the list, just saying the last 3 times lists were this large, that did happen and none lasted the full 4 years, THATS IT!

I never claimed that I had knowledge of a 2013 or 2014 test or any promotional slowdown or an absurd idea that they would throw out the test entirely. I am also a regular on the LT boards and already got promoted off the last Lt exam. I did die on one Sgt list and am sharing my knowledge and experience. All I am saying is IF there is a 2013 exam or an early 2014 exam, there is a good chance everyone of the 1663 on this list might not get promoted.

I am starting to wonder how some people on here passed if they can't follow something as simple as reading comprehension? 7 exams in the 2000's, the first 3 all had large lists were all cut and replaced with new lists long before the 4 year expiration was up. None of the exams in the decade lasted 4 years.

So I am not spreading rumors or wishing people die on the list, just showing what has happened on every Sgt's exam in my career. Also the last Sgt's exam in the 1990's had a large list and everyone was made off it. All the big lists of the 2000's, all 3 that is, people died on the list.

Only time will tell, but if you have an exam in 2013 or early 2014 and are at the bottom of the current list, you should probably study for it!

Stanza · Senior Member

The February 02 and December 03 lists were cut before the 4 year mark. The 06 lt list was cut but it lasted the full 4 years as per NYS civil service law.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

One Point Info, good job there, those numbers look correct. There was another Sgt's Exam in 2000 too and that list didn't promote everyone either. The 2002 if I remember correctly got
around 1500 people promoted, not 100% certain, but I know for sure hundreds of people died on the list. The 2003 exam had the dreadful scores where 58 made the list, in the 1700+ range and they did dip well into scores in the high 60's, I think they stopped around 67 or so? But the 2003 list got to around 1100+ with hundreds dying on that list too and was cut by the January 2006 exam which was the first Sgt's exam with the 70 passing grade mandate.

Since they have made the 70 passing score, they have made it to the end of every list and made everyone unless you weren't approved by the CARB or lacked the college credits. So yes, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 every list got to the end in less than 4 years.

But the point I am making is that 1663 people are on this list. Yes, it is moving along nicely and at this rate everyone should get made unless CARB or lack of college stops them. Now my point is lists similar haven't been seen in a really long time, I remember them though. The first test I was eligible to take I missed by just a few names which was that embarrassing low scoring 2003 exam. With the score I had, maybe I really didn't deserve to get promoted!!! But I got it together for the 2007 exam and was in the first BMOC and already got promoted on the 2011 Lt exam, so I am not some troll, I have an insight to the history of these exams.

No Sgt Exam in my career lasted the full 4 years until it expired. All were either cut short by newer exam lists or had small lists that wouldn't take 4 years to exhaust. Now its true they might not have officially "expired" until after 4 full years, but they all stopped promoted long before that time frame.

As for the Lt exam, I am not certain about the 1999 exam. But the 2003 exam did last the 4 full years, as did the 2006 exam. Also the "passing" grade for the 2003 Lt exam was actually 81, not 70.

So there, I am a wealth of information on exam history, but have absolutely no inside information on the current exam or future exams that could potentially cut this one short...

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Sgt's Exam
2000- list cut
2002- list cut
2003- list cut
2006- list finished before expiration
2007-list finished in 8 months
2008-list finished before expiration
2009-list finished before expiration
2011-???

FACT- No exam list in the above 7 exams continually promoted people until they "expired" 4 years later. They all stopped before either bc another list replaced an active list OR the lists were so small they simply didn't last that long.

Semp1 · Guru

The point is since a passing grade was made they do not cut lists. They just don't. They go the full 4 years if they are big enough. Case and point the last LT exam. And the reason that list did not get fully made is the LT rank is half the size of the Sgt rank. It's that simple. There just is not enough vacant spots at one time in that rank. It doesn't take a genius to see that. Double the number they promoted off that last extremely slow moving LT list for the sgt rank that is double the size and you get almost almost our whole sgt list which is very fast moving by comparison. Thank you for giving some in sight but every one on this list passed. The lists before 2006 did not have people the PC considered "cream of the crop" and did not all deserve the promotion in his opinion, which is why he made a passing grade. People who passed do deserve it and just about every Sgt's list or every to my memory before our list has had one thing in common. The list always promoted at least the people who passed. It's a civil service exam. Relax. By the way thanks Brat. I trust your opinion.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Monday 22nd of October 2012 02:54:54 AM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Monday 22nd of October 2012 02:56:37 AM

CryTwoSeven · Guru

Why are we still having this argument

redcons2 · Senior Member

Maybe try speed dating to get your mind off work...

Semp1 · Guru

They can expire a list early if they have another list that they can activate. Will they? No. Just like when they had a 2008 list and established an 09 list. They waited almost a year for the 08 to get fully exhausted before activating the 09 list. And I really only know of 1 sgt test since 2000 that they had a list die before getting to 70. I understand it happens often with LT exams.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Monday 22nd of October 2012 05:08:25 PM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Semp1, a few things you are absolutely right about, they have not cut a single Sgt's exam since the 70 passing rule was implemented in the 2006 Sgt exam. Also you are correct in they started that after the dreadful scoring on the 2003 Sgt exam due to embarrassing low scores making the list and even getting promoted.

But the wording you used, "cream of the crop" is exactly why you should not completely dismiss the possibility of this list being cut. Yes, the 2003 exam had people in the high 60's getting promoted, but what about before that? There were people in the 70's that died on lists on a regular basis.

What they used to do is just set how big the list was and take the top scorers in that number, regardless of score. But up until the debacle that was the 2003 exam, the scores were generally very respectable. Put it this way, if you score in the low 70's or even mid 70's, there was good chance you were not getting promoted, it just wasn't good enough. Thats the way the old lists were managed. DCAS, the NYPD, the PC, no one gave a rat's @$$ if you technically passed, the job owes you nothing. Being dismissive saying "its a civil service exam" is just ignoring what has happened on a regular basis in the past.

The 2003 Lt exam, I know different rank, they set "passing" at 81 raw score (19 wrong). They used to set "passing" as in making the list by some random raw score that was determined by how many passers they got. Everyone in the 2003 Lt exam did get made, but the 2006 exam was cut, I know again different rank and that is after they set 70 as passing and had far too many people to promote to Lt in 4 years, but on the positive side they did allow the list to go for 4 full years.

Now IF this current 2011 Sgt list last the full 4 years from around April 2012 to April 2016, I would agree with people on here, everyone gets made. Hell, even if they let it go deep into 2015 at the rate they are going, they will probably exhaust the list. But... IF they give a Sgt's Exam in either 2013 or even early enough 2014, I think they could cut this list, all I am saying. Brat has been very reliable on these boards and I do trust her insight, I would bet if she has a lot of time in rank, the list she got made off of killed a lot of names. Right now its far too early to dismiss the idea of a large list being cut when that has been the norm in my career. Only time will tell...

wereinbacklog · Guru

DCAS can not cut a promotional list with eligibles on it unless the list has been exhausted or 4 years have passed. The notion that a new sgt exam will automatically cut the 2011 list is not true. Doing so will open up the department and Dcas to lawsuits.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Wereinbacklog, you must be relatively new to the job. They can have lists running concurrently and keep a list "active" for 4 years but not promote off of it, the city has done that for years. The list expires after 4 years just means that they can no longer promote off of it, not they they have to promote off of it for 4 full years.

Fun fact, no Sgt list in my career had people getting promoted off of it for the full 4 years. The city has been subject to lawsuits on promotional exams before and they generally get thrown out by a judge quickly and never go anywhere. The 2003 Sgt exam had a lawsuit regarding the proctors ending the exam early at Evander Childs High School in the Bronx and then letting people back in when they realized they messed up on the time allocation. Some people left and went home already, so there was a lawsuit, the judge threw it out after a year. I know that lawsuit has nothing to do with this 70 passing rule which is relatively new, just giving an example.

The precedent is there, lists can run concurrently. "Passing" does not guarantee promotion. Ask some supervisors in your command that got promoted prior to the 2006 Sgt exam how the city dealt with large lists.

wereinbacklog · Guru

Not relatively new at all, in fact just like you already promoted from the 2011 Lt exam. For anyone to surmise that the 2011 Sgt's list will get cut is ridiculous. At the rate of current promotion I don't foresee this list even lasting 2 more years. We can't apply the things that occur prior to the implementation of the 70% passing score to todays exams. Ever since that was instituted no list has been cut short but eligibles have died on the list (2006 Lt exam).

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Lt exams have lasted the full 4 years, I know that the 2003 and 2006 Lt exams lasted the full 4 years . 2003 passing was 81 and 2006 it was set before as a new rule for all NYPD promotional exams at 70. That is a positive and recent example but in a different rank. Also congrats on your promotion to Lt, so if you have been on the job for awhile you have to remember Sgt's exams getting cut short on the long lists, that was the norm.

The city can set "passing" to whatever they want and currently it stands at 70. But they do not have to hire off a list for 4 full years which they haven't done in my entire career for Sgt's exams, they always had a list replace another one. The 4 year rule only means the list is technically "active" but doesn't mean the city must hire off of it and always chose not to when lists were large.

We will see, so far they have already hired 300+ people in only 6 months, so this list is moving nicely. It looks like only another exam to replace the current list could stop everyone from getting made.

wereinbacklog · Guru

I'll tell you this much, if the current list gets cut I'll be completely shocked. We will continue this conversation in the future.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

I think the list is "active" for 4 full years but does not mean the city must use that list to promote people for 4 full years. Concurrent lists are common where the new list gets promotions and the old list is still not 4 years old yet, but the city basically unofficially "killed" it but officially the list is still "active" for 4 full years even though they stop promoting off of it early.

M5Pct · Veteran Member

Semp1 wrote:
They can expire a list early if they have another list that they can activate. Will they? No. Just like when they had a 2008 list and established an 09 list. They waited almost a year for the 08 to get fully exhausted before activating the 09 list. And I really only know of 1 sgt test since 2000 that they had a list die before getting to 70. I understand it happens often with LT exams.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Monday 22nd of October 2012 05:08:25 PM

Don't you guys see? That's why the trolls start the rumor's about another test in 2013, so it can backup the idea of this list getting cut short. It's all the trolls' way to have their fun and mess with everybody's head. We'll find out soon enough if any tests are given 2013, but I doubt it if you ask me. No hook here, just speaking my mind.

sgt2be · Guru

this same old crap again! Your opinions mean NOTHING. Wont change whether the list lasts 2 years or 4 years! obviously when you ppl come on here claiming how not everyone will get made, it will create this frenzy and drama these trolls crave. Just let the damn list take its course and stop with the nonsense!

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 03:13:12 AM

CIWarrior · Senior Member

I 100% believe that everyone is getting promoted. Only because of the fact that with the November class, the list will be up to 500 with approx 400 in total actually promoted thus far after deducting passovers -- That's in only 7 months people! I would think that by January of 2014 they will be at around 1000 which is a more realistic portrayal of the usual 1 or 2 classes in a row followed by a down month or 2. (FIgure 400 - 450 depending on if there is a december class in the first 8 months and then another 500 - 550 in the next 13 months) even if you went as low as 400 promotions in 2014 there would only be 263 people left at the start of 2015 and the list would have only been active for 2 years and 8 months. they would definitely hire the last 263 in the next 16 months. There is plenty of time to hire everyone and I believe a new sgt exam will be given at the beginning of 2014 with a list being in place within the year and promotions as soon as we are done around March 2015

brat4914 · Guru

you guys could be writing the best info in the world..........but it's too damned long and i ain't readin it !!

REDALERT11 · Veteran Member

Stop it already...

BabylonHero · Veteran Member

Brat , I am sorry but you are neither the end all or be all of final information on this forum. You are a mere Lt who hides within the halls of the P.A who is basically afraid of the streets. Yes, I ran your BADS info and I stand by what I say. Better yet I have spoken to people who have worked with you as a cop and let me just say that you were well suited for admin positions.

You might have the inside line with pertinent information being whispered within the walls of the P.A but you do not know anything about exam policy. Hell, you are not even qualified to say that this exam will or will not be cut. Please do us all a favor and continue to keep us apprised about the gossip at the P.A for that is your forte. As to predicting on what will happen to this or any other future exam, you are not qualified to make said determinations. Please stick to supervising clerical duties in your office and leave the police work to the real police.

Thanks and God Bless.

CryTwoSeven · Guru

BabylonHero wrote:
Brat , I am sorry but you are neither the end all or be all of final information on this forum. You are a mere Lt who hides within the halls of the P.A who is basically afraid of the streets. Yes, I ran your BADS info and I stand by what I say. Better yet I have spoken to people who have worked with you as a cop and let me just say that you were well suited for admin positions.

You might have the inside line with pertinent information being whispered within the walls of the P.A but you do not know anything about exam policy. Hell, you are not even qualified to say that this exam will or will not be cut. Please do us all a favor and continue to keep us apprised about the gossip at the P.A for that is your forte. As to predicting on what will happen to this or any other future exam, you are not qualified to make said determinations. Please stick to supervising clerical duties in your office and leave the police work to the real police.

Thanks and God Bless.

Lol says the guy with multiple usernames who's been here for years trolling this site with BS info. Shouldn't you be out there getting collars Mr Super Cop instead of coming in here trolling and making fun of other people who are actually helping others for years on this forum never spread BS rumor. I know people who have worked with Brat and all I hear is great things about her. This is someone that created a FREE exam study guide with FREE questions when others are charging hundreds of dollars. Her admin work has helped others pass the test and go on to become SGTS/LT. I don't know how anyone can hate on Brat but with all the idiots on this job I'm really not surprised.

EDAYKING · Senior Member

Listen, leave Brat alone. I hear that she is smart and pretty as well...... She could give me a CD any day,

Chief Izzo · Veteran Member

Brat , I am sorry but you are neither the end all or be all of final information on this forum. You are a mere Lt who hides within the halls of the P.A who is basically afraid of the streets. Yes, I ran your BADS info and I stand by what I say. Better yet I have spoken to people who have worked with you as a cop and let me just say that you were well suited for admin positions. You might have the inside line with pertinent information being whispered within the walls of the P.A but you do not know anything about exam policy. Hell, you are not even qualified to say that this exam will or will not be cut. Please do us all a favor and continue to keep us apprised about the gossip at the P.A for that is your forte. As to predicting on what will happen to this or any other future exam, you are not qualified to make said determinations. Please stick to supervising clerical duties in your office and leave the police work to the real police. Thanks and God Bless.

In defense of Brat I will say that she has done nothing but good for the people on this forum. I do not care if she has been an empty suit her entire career. Look around and if one would run the BADS of most of the fellas above the rank of captain one would discover that they are mostly empty suits as well. One could easily say that the NYPD is mostly run by unexperienced policemen but well versed clerical people but that is the nature of the beast for as long as I have been on the NYPD. There are far and few in between real cops who become captains and above. It is extremely rare now a days. Sadly the people making rank are mostly the peopel afraid to put their hands on people. They are the select group that shuns the streets and seek santurary within an inside postion.

The police department is mostly run by people who have no street credibility. This is a fact but at least Brat is trying to make amends for her lack of police work by heloping others like you and me to move up the ranks. House mouse or prima donna? Who cares! Brat does more good inside than on the streets.

She gets a free pass in my book so leave her be.

-- Edited by Chief Izzo on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 05:12:16 PM

brat4914 · Guru

LOL.....whatever Babylon

SOLDIER · Member

Sgt2be quote:

the convo isnt about what kind of cop anyone is....first of all...wtf cares what your bads looks like??? does that make you super cop???? its like the midget who can bench 350 lbs...does that make him mr strong man?? being a good cop and eventually a good supervisor goes past your BADS.....past your inside skills.....it is a mere combination of everything you have learned and being a leader. I know guys who have GREAT BADS AND GUESS WHAT!!?? theyre the biggest douches when it comes to being a sergeant. PERHAPS YOU BOYS AND GIRLS SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU JUDGE BRAT OR LET ALONE ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE. This job is dead bc of the commrodity that no longer exists. Some of you ppl just act like the biggest douches and i hope you never get promoted to my prct bc id be ashamed to field train you as a sergeant.

I, by no means, am agreeing with the bashing of Brat but I do agree some what with the initial idea of the original poster regarding the legitimacy of a supervisor that has no experience. As you can tell by the name I am a military man and experience in the field of employment is 'EVERYTHING". How in the hell can you say that a BADS check means nothing in the greater scheme of things? Surely, you are joking right? I can only conclude that you are someone who lacks experience himself. It is the only logical reason to even say such a thing. No one is saying that an officer has to be some sort of super cop with mega collars but god damn it, he sure as hell better have more than 50 collars for his career before attaining the rank of sgt. Better yet, he sure as hell better not have been an inside person for his entire career. I had a Sgt at my command that only had 11 collars for his 9 yrs on the JOB and 7 of those yrs were as a cop.......11 FREAKIN COLLARS!!!!!!. Do you really think that I respected this clueless twit when he would school me about my activity?

I do not know Brat from a hole in the wall so I can not make a judgement call on her persona but if she was an inside person for all of her career what does that say about her experience as a cop. Yes, as a cop cause after all we are the police and not glorified receptionists.

Once again this is not directed at Brat but instead at Sgt2be for his asinine comments regarding the correlation between career activity and being a good supervisor. Sgt2be , your house mouse work ethics are deplorable.

-- Edited by SOLDIER on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 11:23:01 PM

-- Edited by SOLDIER on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 11:23:26 PM

-- Edited by SOLDIER on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 11:23:55 PM

CryTwoSeven · Guru

I have let the trolls slide on a lot of BS Rumors lately but one thing is for certain and that is Bashing BRAT = instant ban

-- Edited by CryTwoSeven on Wednesday 24th of October 2012 02:39:26 AM

Warden2Sgt · Veteran Member

BabylonHero wrote:

Brat , I am sorry but you are neither the end all or be all of final information on this forum. You are a mere Lt who hides within the halls of the P.A who is basically afraid of the streets. Yes, I ran your BADS info and I stand by what I say. Better yet I have spoken to people who have worked with you as a cop and let me just say that you were well suited for admin positions.

You might have the inside line with pertinent information being whispered within the walls of the P.A but you do not know anything about exam policy. Hell, you are not even qualified to say that this exam will or will not be cut. Please do us all a favor and continue to keep us apprised about the gossip at the P.A for that is your forte. As to predicting on what will happen to this or any other future exam, you are not qualified to make said determinations. Please stick to supervising clerical duties in your office and leave the police work to the real police.

Thanks and God Bless.

All due respect to Brat but I have no patience for supervisors who have no street experience. They are as useless as a pair of tits on a bull. I have come across quite a few douche supervisors in my time and they have mostly been do nothings for their entire careers. The odds are with you if you hide in an office and study for a supervisory exam. What good is the rank when you do not know how to lead anyone out of a burning paper bag. Kudos to anyone who has humpoed it on patrol and made rank. To these fine men and women I give a whole hearty salute. If indeed Brat was a do nothing as a cop, as a sgt and now a Lt then why should I even give her the respect some of you throw at her. At the bare minimum I would salute her rank and not the person. That is the least I can do for her services on this forum. My respect is earned and not given Open Gangnam Style.

Those are my 2 quarters instead of cents.

brat4914 · Guru

Salt-ness · Senior Member

I get it gang up on people who give legit info so they leave. And then they have no one to discredit their B/S info. Brilliant!!! For what it's worth thank you for your time.

sgt2be · Guru

brat4914 wrote:

the convo isnt about what kind of cop anyone is....first of all...wtf cares what your bads looks like??? does that make you super cop???? its like the midget who can bench 350 lbs...does that make him mr strong man?? being a good cop and eventually a good supervisor goes past your bads.....past your inside skills.....it is a mere combination of everything you have learned and being a leader. I know guys who have GREAT BADS AND GUESS WHAT!!?? theyre the biggest douches when it comes to being a sergeant. PERHAPS YOU BOYS AND GIRLS SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU JUDGE BRAT OR LET ALONE ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE. This job is dead bc of the commrodity that no longer exists. Some of you ppl just act like the biggest douches and i hope you never get promoted to my prct bc id be ashamed to field train you as a sergeant.

sgt2be · Guru

SOLDIER wrote:

Sgt2be quote:
the convo isnt about what kind of cop anyone is....first of all...wtf cares what your bads looks like??? does that make you super cop???? its like the midget who can bench 350 lbs...does that make him mr strong man?? being a good cop and eventually a good supervisor goes past your BADS.....past your inside skills.....it is a mere combination of everything you have learned and being a leader. I know guys who have GREAT BADS AND GUESS WHAT!!?? theyre the biggest douches when it comes to being a sergeant. PERHAPS YOU BOYS AND GIRLS SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU JUDGE BRAT OR LET ALONE ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE. This job is dead bc of the commrodity that no longer exists. Some of you ppl just act like the biggest douches and i hope you never get promoted to my prct bc id be ashamed to field train you as a sergeant.

I, by no means, am agreeing with the bashing of Brat but I do agree some what with the initial idea of the original poster regarding the legitimacy of a supervisor that has no experience. As you can tell by the name I am a military man and experience in the field of employment is 'EVERYTHING". How in the hell can you say that a BADS check means nothing in the greater scheme of things? Surely, you are joking right? I can only conclude that you are someone who lacks experience himself. It is the only logical reason to even say such a thing. No one is saying that an officer has to be some sort of super cop with mega collars but god damn it, he sure as hell better have more than 50 collars for his career before attaining the rank of sgt. Better yet, he sure as hell better not have been an inside person for his entire career. I had a Sgt at my command that only had 11 collars for his 9 yrs on the JOB and 7 of those yrs were as a cop.......11 FREAKIN COLLARS!!!!!!. Do you really think that I respected this clueless twit when he would school me about my activity?
I do not know Brat from a hole in the wall so I can not make a judgement call on her persona but if she was an inside person for all of her career what does that say about her experience as a cop. Yes, as a cop cause after all we are the police and not glorified receptionists.
Once again this is not directed at Brat but instead at Sgt2be for his asinine comments regarding the correlation between career activity and being a good supervisor. Sgt2be , your house mouse work ethics are deplorable.

-- Edited by SOLDIER on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 11:23:01 PM

-- Edited by SOLDIER on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 11:23:26 PM

-- Edited by SOLDIER on Tuesday 23rd of October 2012 11:23:55 PM

if you want to run my bads go ahead....youll find 166 collars...you can pm me for my tax if youd like. BTW that 166 collars and i got promoted with less than 6 years on. I just dont find the need to run my mouth like some of you idiots on here like it means something.

Salt-ness · Senior Member

What the hell does all this short stories have to do with passing along legit info to inquiring minds. If the pct janitor have me info that came true on this board I would thank him and say well done.

Salt-ness · Senior Member

*gave me........sorry........carry on

sgt2be · Guru

Salt-ness wrote:
What the hell does all this short stories have to do with passing along legit info to inquiring minds. If the pct janitor have me info that came true on this board I would thank him and say well done.

idk sir....seems this board is full of ppl who'd rather bash everyone bc their BADS is better then someone elses. I sir do not have any legit info for you but i have learned alot about being a sgt since may so any advice i can give on that subject will be my pleasure.

EDAYKING · Senior Member

Why are people bashing Brat, What did she do.....she has been nothing but helpful. We should be pitching in to buy her something nice. Her info has been on the money. She is good in my book..

TurdBurglar · Senior Member

Honestly It does make a difference when a boss is bitching about activity and in the meantime you know he has 15 collars for his career. On the other hand some people aren't big collar guys and just do what they have to so as not to get bothered.

RMP6969 · Senior Member

I always found it funny when a boss with less then 10 collars for their career tried to lecture you on activity. I'm sorry but even back in the day when bosses were made after 3 yrs on the job, there's no excuse for someone to not be able get above 10 collars in 3 yrs. Especially during the crack war days. And now when you need 5 yrs before you get promoted if you cant attain 20 collars in 5 yrs then there's something wrong with you. Collar guy or not. I'm not trying to bash those who didn't go out and collar every skell they ran into. Just don't sit there and lecture me when I had a bad month and threaten to rate me ineffective when you were a COMPLETE do nothing as a cop.

Semp1 · Guru

Or it could mean the 2011 list will be finished, or like in 2009 they'll wait for the list to be complete. Nothing in past history after passing grades were established as cut offs are up for example. The only example is in 2009 a list was established and held off because the 2008 list was not finished. The last BMOC class of the 2008 and first BMOC class of 2009 almost a year after the 2009 list was established was half 2008 and half the first BMOC group of 2009. There is absolutely no indication this list will be cut, and only that it will be fully made. The only indication this "tentative" announcement of a 2013 test hints at is a fast blow through the current list. You say you're not a troll but you continuously try to slickly implement doom and gloom comments. Why?

-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 25th of October 2012 04:18:19 AM

Semp1 · Guru

2009 test was Feb 2009 and the first class was around Oct 2010. It combined the last group of people from the 2008 list and the first group from the 2009 list. Looking at past history on tests that had no passing grades is not the same as looking at the 2006 LT exam list that was activated in 2008 and finished in 2012 where it died at year 4. Why not give another test early, that was a big list. So big in fact the PC made it known not every one was getting promoted off of it. Why? Because they weren't going to kill the list. Again all indication from present history indicate the list is getting made. Very few tests from "back in the day" killed grades that actually passed. Most tests got killed in the 60's range.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 25th of October 2012 04:31:21 AM