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Does anyone have any new information regarding the current vacancies for Sgts?

I think knowing that would help.

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Does anyone have any new information regarding the current vacancies for Sgts?

I think knowing that would help.

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 I believe there are currently 13. Someone posted that 4 additional ppl were added to BMOC starting tomorrow.  If that is true then there should be 9 vacancies. 



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this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from



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this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  



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When my PCT CO saw us looking at a 2700 person sgt list he immediately said, "it makes sense. The job wants 3 sgts per squad with the NCO program. They want increased supervision on patrol.".

Now, I don't know if they go to special meetings where they discuss things like this, but he is convinced that with the nco program, there will be 3 sgts per patrol squad.

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When my PCT CO saw us looking at a 2700 person sgt list he immediately said, "it makes sense. The job wants 3 sgts per squad with the NCO program. They want increased supervision on patrol.".

Now, I don't know if they go to special meetings where they discuss things like this, but he is convinced that with the nco program, there will be 3 sgts per patrol squad.


 Lol thats utter nonsense.

Most details ive been to recently is 12 cops per 1 sgt.

There wouldnt be enough lockers in any command in the city for 3 and 1. The sgts would be coming to work in their uniforms.



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 Lol thats utter nonsense.

Most details ive been to recently is 12 cops per 1 sgt.

There wouldnt be enough lockers in any command in the city for 3 and 1. The sgts would be coming to work in their uniforms.


 do you think the thing thats going to stop the dept from changes is because they are concerned about the locker situation? cmon



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The job is looking to make the ratio Of SGT to cops smaller, the nco program is going to explode. Its gonna be zone captains overseeing LTs with SGTs with way more ncos almost aseparate detail. Captains will be nco zone captains before they become x.os .... ask around lts and capts know



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TransitJoe wrote:

When my PCT CO saw us looking at a 2700 person sgt list he immediately said, "it makes sense. The job wants 3 sgts per squad with the NCO program. They want increased supervision on patrol.".

Now, I don't know if they go to special meetings where they discuss things like this, but he is convinced that with the nco program, there will be 3 sgts per patrol squad.


 Lol thats utter nonsense.

Most details ive been to recently is 12 cops per 1 sgt.

There wouldnt be enough lockers in any command in the city for 3 and 1. The sgts would be coming to work in their uniforms.


 Bro, you know for a fact that the job always finds a way to conform. They always do for their own reasons. They are def not worried about that. If they have to they will merge a custodian room to change in.



-- Edited by yougonow on Thursday 11th of January 2018 03:25:49 AM

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I have also heard this from a few white shirts, dept is going towards 1:6 as there implementing all commands as NCOs. Rumor or not its not the first time i have heard this which should have some sort of truth.



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this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


 You seem to. be the only one who hasn't heard that... I go to NCO stat every quarter this isn't just a rumor it's what the department is moving towards to have more accountability for the cops. The work load with these body cameras is going to increase tremendously for supervisors. yes my command has about 120 cops and guess what the details that come down some days we don't even have a PS, our desk acts as both so you clearly don't know what your talking about Bigfoot  should I say bigmouth 



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jay59 wrote:
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jay59 wrote:

this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


 You seem to. be the only one who hasn't heard that... I go to NCO stat every quarter this isn't just a rumor it's what the department is moving towards to have more accountability for the cops. The work load with these body cameras is going to increase tremendously for supervisors. yes my command has about 120 cops and guess what the details that come down some days we don't even have a PS, our desk acts as both so you clearly don't know what your talking about Bigfoot  should I say bigmouth 


 Some days your command doesnt have a ps? There is no way that happened. Youre telling me the do is the only boss working calling all the shots from the desk? 

And why stop at 3 to 1 ratio? Just go to 1 to 1 ratio.

Absolish the Lt rank and make some po's corporals.



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Or just hire everyone as Sgts. That'll fix things.

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One Sgt doing the Desk and patrol you sir are full of ****.

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jay59 wrote:
bigfoot45 wrote:
jay59 wrote:

this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


 You seem to. be the only one who hasn't heard that... I go to NCO stat every quarter this isn't just a rumor it's what the department is moving towards to have more accountability for the cops. The work load with these body cameras is going to increase tremendously for supervisors. yes my command has about 120 cops and guess what the details that come down some days we don't even have a PS, our desk acts as both so you clearly don't know what your talking about Bigfoot  should I say bigmouth 


 Some days your command doesnt have a ps? There is no way that happened. Youre telling me the do is the only boss working calling all the shots from the desk? 

And why stop at 3 to 1 ratio? Just go to 1 to 1 ratio.

Absolish the Lt rank and make some po's corporals.


 Yeah I dont see that happening either. Theres always at least someone else in the building..crime boss, DV, etc..and if not, they would fly in a Sgt from another command that has extra boss working that tour. That Ive seen bunch of times



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In transit it happened before only one boss for desk and patrol supervisor 



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jay59 wrote:
bigfoot45 wrote:
jay59 wrote:

this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


 You seem to. be the only one who hasn't heard that... I go to NCO stat every quarter this isn't just a rumor it's what the department is moving towards to have more accountability for the cops. The work load with these body cameras is going to increase tremendously for supervisors. yes my command has about 120 cops and guess what the details that come down some days we don't even have a PS, our desk acts as both so you clearly don't know what your talking about Bigfoot  should I say bigmouth 


 Wow jay...you crossed the line going after bigfoot. He is a legendary guru who is always on point with his info while your sources are precinct COs at nco stat meetings. Please jay...stop with the fake news and your psuedo-science theories. The authorized uniform headcount is what it is...stop making stuff up and giving people false hope!



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bigfoot45 wrote:
jay59 wrote:

this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


Well said bigfoot...well said. People just dont want to accept reality. I've taken four promotional exams in my career...passed two and failed two. If you dont make it this time jay because the list expires and you are number 2045 then just take it again. But the worst thing you can do is give guys false hope.



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Hopefully jay comes to my command so I can be the patrol supervisor from the lounge, since he's useto seeing the desk officer cover everything.

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I have a theory that they might hire 1000 Sgts this year. Tell me if it makes sense. I heard approximately 300-400 Sgts are retiring this year. Another 200 Sgts will get promoted LT this year. At my command there is an average of 11.5 cops per squad Sgt. On my tour there are 42 POs and 4 Sgts. I checked at my adjacent command and its a little over a 11 POs per squad Sgt. If the job decides to just strictly enforce the 1 Sgt for every 8 POs for precinct rule. Then my command would need 4.5 extra Sgts and my adjacent command 4 extra Sgts. If Theres similar staffing numbers Dept wide and they want 1 Sgt for 8 cops then the Dept would have to hire an extra 300-400 Sgts. If you add everything I mentioned up thats 800-1000 Sgts this year. Just a theory.



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If they were, they wouldn't only put 50 in March, they would have a class asap in Feb.

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You guys are assuming that the job cares about the ratio.  I've been in this job for quite a while,  10+yrs and I've never seen the ratio match.  There has never been enough bosses for cops in my time on this job. Implementation of NCO won't change that.  



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jay59 wrote:
bigfoot45 wrote:
jay59 wrote:

this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


 You seem to. be the only one who hasn't heard that... I go to NCO stat every quarter this isn't just a rumor it's what the department is moving towards to have more accountability for the cops. The work load with these body cameras is going to increase tremendously for supervisors. yes my command has about 120 cops and guess what the details that come down some days we don't even have a PS, our desk acts as both so you clearly don't know what your talking about Bigfoot  should I say bigmouth 


 Wow jay...you crossed the line going after bigfoot. He is a legendary guru who is always on point with his info while your sources are precinct COs at nco stat meetings. Please jay...stop with the fake news and your psuedo-science theories. The authorized uniform headcount is what it is...stop making stuff up and giving people false hope!


 Bigfoot has more time on this forum than jay has on the job.



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Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
jay59 wrote:
bigfoot45 wrote:
jay59 wrote:

this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


 You seem to. be the only one who hasn't heard that... I go to NCO stat every quarter this isn't just a rumor it's what the department is moving towards to have more accountability for the cops. The work load with these body cameras is going to increase tremendously for supervisors. yes my command has about 120 cops and guess what the details that come down some days we don't even have a PS, our desk acts as both so you clearly don't know what your talking about Bigfoot  should I say bigmouth 


 Wow jay...you crossed the line going after bigfoot. He is a legendary guru who is always on point with his info while your sources are precinct COs at nco stat meetings. Please jay...stop with the fake news and your psuedo-science theories. The authorized uniform headcount is what it is...stop making stuff up and giving people false hope!


 Bigfoot has more time on this forum than jay has on the job.


 ruthless 



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this is what confuses me. All my bosses including my CO said they need 2 sgts per 6 cops now with this nco program, they need two sgts per squad. That being said the department would be down 500-600 sgts because that would be about 5 -7 bosses extra a command needed. we barely have enough sgts at my command per cop, so how does anyone determine openings at sgt? where does that come from


 2 Sgts per 6 cops...... Who gave you this ridiculous ratio?  Let's reduce the fraction to 1 Sgt to 3 cops.  Jay, does this make sense to you?  You mean to tell me that a command with 120 cops is going to have 40 Sgts?   What exactly would these 40 Sgts be doing in this relatively small command?  This makes no sense and is utter nonsense.  


 You seem to. be the only one who hasn't heard that... I go to NCO stat every quarter this isn't just a rumor it's what the department is moving towards to have more accountability for the cops. The work load with these body cameras is going to increase tremendously for supervisors. yes my command has about 120 cops and guess what the details that come down some days we don't even have a PS, our desk acts as both so you clearly don't know what your talking about Bigfoot  should I say bigmouth 


 Wow jay...you crossed the line going after bigfoot. He is a legendary guru who is always on point with his info while your sources are precinct COs at nco stat meetings. Please jay...stop with the fake news and your psuedo-science theories. The authorized uniform headcount is what it is...stop making stuff up and giving people false hope!


 Bigfoot has more time on this forum than jay has on the job.


 ruthless 


Ha, that is probably true....but lets just use common sense, that 3 to 1 ratio is just Stupid And impossible. No sources needed.



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Haha yeah they will put a Sgt in every sector car thus a 3 to 1 ratio lmao

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I'm hearing within the next few years the Department is looking to promote more sergeants than the number of PO's, thereby effectively morphing the PO's into patrol supervisors. There will be a Sergeant exam once per year until the ratio of 6 Sgt's per 1 PO is met. The sergeants will comprise all sector cars department wide and will carry out the duties of PO from here on out... At least that's the word on the street.

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I'm hearing within the next few years the Department is looking to promote more sergeants than the number of PO's, thereby effectively morphing the PO's into patrol supervisors. There will be a Sergeant exam once per year until the ratio of 6 Sgt's per 1 PO is met. The sergeants will comprise all sector cars department wide and will carry out the duties of PO from here on out... At least that's the word on the street.


 whats funny is some people on here will actually believe this



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